Why blow up -Konoko-?

Recap:

When Konoko arrives at the atmospheric processor, where Muro has been standing in front of Shinatama and torturing her, she has a chat with Shinatama. Then, Shinatama receives a self-destruct message. She tells Konoko that it's about to happen, then manages to delay it for 30 seconds plus some extra chatter time. The blast is intended to kill Konoko, because she may be a threat.


Why Konoko!? Muro was standing right there in front of Shinatama just a little while ago.


Here's how it should have gone:

• Barabas steals Shinatama; she arrives at the atmospheric processor. (Though why she was taken there of all places puzzles me.)
• Shinatama informs Konoko via neural link that Muro is beside her.
• Konoko relays this information to Griffin.
• Griffin orders his geek squad to send the self-destruct message.
• Shinatama receives the message and starts decoding. She makes no attempt to delay the explosion.
• Shinatama shuts her yap up for once and doesn't tell anyone that she's about to pop.
• Muro gets blowed up, keeping that grin on his face the whole time. Muro enjoys his new existence as a pile of ash.

Surely Muro is more of a threat than Konoko is?


If only the TCTF scientists could develop a message, or some kind of superweapon, that would cause Shinatama to shut up for thirty consecutive seconds, this plan would work for sure.

so, relating the topic back to Griffin, anyone got any ideas why Griffin chose to attack his own agent instead of the enemy overlord?

Because he feared for his own life, or because he feared that Konoko would go join her dearest brother after finding out about all of Griffin's lies.

The official reason of course was, because he couldn't allow her progress to go on uncontrolled, not to mention, insubordination.

The TCTF Officer could only indicate from his readings that Konoko was close to Shinatama : Konoko's emotions when seeing the state Shinatama was in, must've peeked or something. He couldn't indicate from any readings that Shinatama was close to Muro.

So, the TCTF didn't know.



This post has been edited by virumor on Jul 9 2005, 06:26 PM

I suspect she could have been deactivated while been transported to the Atmosphere Processors. Once she was activated, she was probasbly tortured very soon after and her circuits were probably fried.

I said she was probably deactivated because she was not able to send any messages to Konoko via neural-link after she was captured. She didn't even say "Help me, Konoko!" or something similar; Konoko had to discover Shinatama's capture herself.

And she also did not send any messages to Konoko after she was activated and after Muro escaped...

Well, I have to type quickly, so pardon the errors, if any. The school's computer terminals are shutting down. More on this later.

*EDIT* Apparently my terminal was the only one not shut down for this particular room...

So, with Shintama silenced, Griffin probably knew about Konoko's presence from her Daodan spikes. He couldn't detect Muro because he might have a different Daodan signature, one not registered in their scanners. This could also be the reason why Konoko herself couldn't be detected by the TCTF once she fell into the acid vats in Level 12 (TCTF Science Prison). Her Daodan waveform was altered enough because of the major Chrysalis takeover that her Daodan signature changed, differing from the signatures the TCTF had registered in their database...

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Hmmmm, I don't know....

When they were installing the neuro-link into their reasonably high-tech robot, they didn't think it might be useful to at least put in an AM radio transmitter so TCTF HQ could keep track of her directly?

I suppose she wasn't really designed to leave the building, but I don't know....I'd be hesitant to own a laptop without some kind of anti-theft measures on it, and I'm guessing she costs more than that....

TCTF security sure does suck :-P

But the Atmospheric Processor's cutscenes suggest that Konoko could still sense Shinatama being fried by the electricity. I don't think Shinatama -couldn't- contact Konoko, I think she was just too distracted/tired to do it actively.


lol, your post says WJTW 3 times at the bottom.

Yup, just look at what happened in level 6. The Syndicate would have an easy time without Konoko.

The people at the TCTF don't seem to think of anything, do they?

It could be like you have said, that Shinatama was not designed to be removed from her post. I remember a thread in the 'alternate forum' mentioning Shinatama's communications ability and someone (or was it me) suggested something similar...

We cannot know for sure, though, since she was never 'reinstated' after being removed from her post so we have no way to do comparison.

I really fear for the people living in the city, who probably think they are safe, especially those living close to the headquarters. The TCTF cannot even save themselves.

It might be their complacency or their lack of preparation. This could be another reason why they did not install any tracking device on Shinatama.

But the Syndicate did get what they want eventually, even when Konoko was around...

WJTW

Yup, but they didn't have an easy time. They got away with Shinatama in the nick of time. If Konoko wouldn't have stopped to help out some of her colleagues, she would've made it in time !

Anyway, in her diary Konoko speaks of a "surveillance drone web" that the Syndicate apparently breached. It looks like the TCTF merely counted on the fact that due to that web, a full scale attack above and below the building was impossible.

Of course, what the surveillance drone web is, or how it was breached, is not even mentioned.



This post has been edited by virumor on Jul 13 2005, 09:31 PM

Hmm, yes. I just wonder how that web was breached. Who knows, there might be some Syndicate operative working on the inside, deactivating the web before the Syndicate entered. It might not necessarily be an inside job; it might just be that the Syndicate deactivated the web themselves (perhaps done by the comguy who disabled the substations in the building?).

Or, that web could have done its job fine and alerted the TCTF, but they could not react quickly or effectively since they have only a skeletal crew at that time. They never expected an attack at all.

WJTW

hmm.. has anyone of you played Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance? (or Sons of Liberty) when you're playing as Raiden (the Plant-Episode) there are some of those Drones hoovering around and seeking for you. Those are called Cyphers - and they are real!
Here is a website showing those "unmanned air vehicles" in action. I think in Oni (which takes place in the year 2032/33 or somewhat around this time they have managed to programm those Cyphers to hoover automatically around shooting at any threat they can find. Now, pack a whole bunch of those "drones" in the entire city and the city will be clean of airplanes or helicopters.
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That is a possibility. They do seem to give a sense of security around them, don't they? Especially a whole pack of them. One turret in Oni is already hard enough to avoid, and the turret cannot even move.

But the Syndicate somehow got past these drones. Perhaps they were able to deactivate them. But easily? Or with some difficulty? If it were the former, then it will say a lot about the TCTF's security (which is already bad enough). But it could just be that the Syndicate comguys are just too good. So, we should treat those comguys with more respect.

I wonder if these drones are able to recognise friends (of the WCG) from enemies (The Syndicate, for instance), and if there were any mishaps with recognising a person wrongly...

Perhaps masquerading as a 'friend' was another way the Syndicate got past the drones.

WJTW

Yes, perhaps the comguys could send out a signal that jams the IFF indicator (friend/foe indicator) so therefore the drones would have seen them, instead of "Syndicate", as "TCTF" or "Civillian" Either of which they would not attack.

Or they simply used a EMP (ElectroMagnetic Pulse) emitter and shut down all electronics withing the city. or at least a sector, in which they could approach the building.

This is highly unlikely though, as the TCTF would be able to signal for reenforcements and such. Although they could have signaled, but the reenforcements jsut didn;t come.

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ok, ok back on topic.

Yes, but would YOU put a Am radio transmitter YOUR reasonably high-tech android?

They probably would have if shinatama was designed to move around. it seemed that her legs were purely ornamental, as she would just sit there all day.

I'm wondering... on a console in level 5 there's mention of planes transmitting "ghost signals" or something (can't remember the whole thing). I wonder if those signals were used to put down the surveillance drone web, or anything.

Another possibility is that the Syndicate sent Jar Jar Binks and his army to destroy the drones...

This post has been edited by virumor on Jul 28 2005, 01:25 AM

Or they just used chr_changeteam all_Syndicate_troops TCTF...

Yes, those ghost signals might also be used to confuse, or even deactivate, the surveillance web. Perhaps the drones were lured by the ghost signals to other places while the Syndicate safely go through the web...

She does seem to be meant to be plugged into the Damocles machine all day, and most likely couldn't just walk about freely, although she is able to walk. Remember that she did walk towards Griffin in Level 13, before Griffin shot her. Her walk was not smooth, but it was probably because of the damage done to her.

When Barabas pulled her out, there were some sparks, so, she is most likely not just seated there, but really plugged in.

WJTW

Well, let's assume the drones have at least the sensory abilities of the turrets.

In Oni, if you trip a laser, the turret will track you for several seconds (regardless of whether you stay in the triplaser or move away). However, if anyone else trips a laser, nothing happens. This includes Syndicate and TCTF troops.



We can draw a few observations and guess the rest:

The turrets have enough sensory abilities to tell one person from another, and track their movements perfectly.

However, ammo is expensive, and the TCTF blew their military budget on the latest upgrade for Shinatama's spreadsheet software. There are so many syndicate troops that shooting them would require the turrets to be constantly refilled with bullets. Instead, the TCTF have instructed their turrets -not- to fire upon Syndicate troops, as they prefer to hire TCTF guards to beat up intruders instead -- (it's actually cheaper overall.)

As for the Syndicate's turrets, Muro's goals generally tend to involve making things more challenging for himself (woah, dood, how leet would i be if i could beat up this super chick in hand to hand combat with only a couple of guards? omg that would be so rulz! hey you guy, take all my guns and throw them away!) Based on these goals, he only allows the turrets to fire upon Konoko, as he knows she's the only one who can easily survive them (while also growing stronger from the physical stress of being shot.) I'm surprised he didn't have the turrets fire upon Syndicate troops, but I guess he could be worried about it affecting morale.


In TCTF's buildings, the tracking lasers are there as a power-saving device, allowing TCTF to stay just under the $1000/month cap (after that, they'll be charged at corporate rates, and lose their discounts.) This also explains why the turrets give up after a few seconds: it allows them to allowing them to save some kilowatt-hours, and some precious bullets.

The lasers are red, instead of the more sensible (and arguably easier to implement) invisible lasers, because the security consultant the TCTF hired was actually a Syndicate operative in disguise (a fake moustache is probably how she managed it.) This also explains why the lasers at the entrance of the TCTF science prison are moving around instead of just staying steady, one above the other.


Muro ordered all the invisible triplasers be replaced with red ones when he heard that the invisible ones may cause cancer. When you've got a chrysalis in you, cancer sounds a lot scarier (a rapid growth of cells? Can you imagine what would happen?) Not wanting to take chances, he decided to install the red ones (he thought green ones might shine too brightly in his sister's eyes when she inevitably came to attack his buildings.)




Conclusion:
TCTF's "web" of drones consists of 4 units, 1 of which was donated by the power company as a reward for always paying on time. Getting past the web involved sending a hoax email to Griffin saying how market trends in West Africa were driving up the power of Flying Drone fuel by around 600%. Griffin immediately ordered the drone web to land. They stayed that way until 4 weeks after the Syndicate attacked TCTF HQ.

Had the drones been active when Syndicate troops approached, the drones could easily spot the Syndicate drivers in heavy traffic (because of their excellent ability to distinguish between targets). They could then eliminate the drivers from above, using mercury and their ability to track targets so well. If only the TCTF had thought to install an AM radio transmitter installed in the drones, then the TCTF could also be alerted ahead of time, allowing them to roll down the garage doors a little earlier, effectively preventing the Syndicate's attack.

This post has been edited by typhen on Jul 29 2005, 11:07 PM