I have figured out which jumps have changes in point values for this season. First of all jumps that are considered underrotated will be marked on the protocols with < and will only be reduced by 70%. These are jumps that are 1/4 to 1/2 UR. A jump that is more than 1/2 UR will be downgraded to the next lower level jump and will be marked on the protocols with <<. The GOE would be for whatever the intended jump would be. (I wish they had this rule when Evan was competing. He got hit with so many UR's on 3A's and they wouldn't have been so costly.)

One other odd thing is that some of the jumps have decreased values from what they previously were.

The first column of numbers are the new values, the second are the values for UR, and the third column is what the values were last season. I tried to separate the numbers in columns, but the forum format would not allow it. So I hope you can read and understand it.

4F 12.3 <8.6
4S 10.5 <7.4
4T 10.3 <7.2 9.8
3A 8.5 <6.0 8.2
3Lz 6.0 <4.2 6.0
3F 5.3 <3.7 5.5
3Lo 5.1 <3.6 5.0
3S 4.2 <2.9 4.5
3T 4.1 <2.9 4.0
2A 3.3 <2.3 3.5
2Lz 2.1 <1.5 1.9
2F 1.8 <1.3 1.8
2Lo 1.8 <1.3 1.8
2S 1.4 <1.0 1.3
2T 1.4 <1.0 1.3

I haven't checked for changes in spins or footwork. This was complicated enough, but I thought we should know what the values are for the jumps. I do not know what rhyme or reason was applied in increasing some jumps by one point and decreasing others by two.

Thanks so much Carley. But I'm confused. Why are there 3 numbers in some columns?

All of the columns except for the first two have three numbers. I do not have a previous value for a 4S or a 4F. I didn't think it really mattered because it has been awhile since anyone has done a 4S, and Takahashi's 4F that he attempted at Worlds' was landed on two feet and wasn't ratified. The jumps with three numbers begin with the 4T. The first number is the value for this season, the second number is the value for the UR, and the third number is the value for last season.

Thanks for clearing up the middle number - that was the one that was confusing me. :hug:

PS: What are we doing up at this time of day? I'm up trying to tire myself out so I can go back to bed. What's your excuse? :)

I was trying to do the same thing!!

Something isn't making sense to me regarding how they are scoring falls. I was just looking at the protocols for SC. It is no wonder Patrick could fall three times and still win. Now if you fall on a 3A all you get is a -3 GOE and a -1 for the fall. Since 3A's have increased point value you still get a total of 8.5-3-1=4.5. It seems to me that the scoring was much harsher last season. For ex if a skater fell on a quad T which was a 9.8 they were given a score of 1 and then after the -1 for the fall they were left with 0. Now I am assuming it would be 10.3-3-1=6.3. So now there is much less risk in trying a quad in your program.

With this 70% change in UR in stead of a full downgrade for UR, I think back to when Evan was competing, especially 2008 SA and SC. His scores would have been totally different would very well could have affected his placement at those two competitions. All of this changing every year is making me nuts. This is the rule for this year and this is the rule for last year and gosh only knows what is the rule for next year. I wish they would make up their minds for once and for all!! But actually the rules for figure skating competitions have been changing and evolving ever since it started way back before the 20th century, but not every year!! If I am not getting the understanding of these scores right, someone enlighten me please. :hide:

:lol:

Carley, we both know that when it comes to scoring in figure skating, it's ALWAYS been confusing to say the least. :lol2:

I certainly can't enlighten you on the subject!

I referred back to the protocols and as far as I can see I am understanding these scores correctly. What aggravates me is that last year you got the axe if you attempted a quad and fell, a big 0. Now that point value is higher and now the scoring is more lenient. And this new way of scorng UR is great, but it certainly could have helped Evan two years ago when they picked him apart mercilessly. However, I have to remember what Evan kept saying. If he made mistakes, it was his business to correct them so he wouldn't make them again. I think all that picking on Evan just served to make him a better skater and the champion he turned out to be.

When I think of all the leniency that seems to be lavished on Patrick Chan, I have to remember that they aren't helping Patrick in the least because it isn't helping to make him a better skater. It is just keeping him a lazier skater and thinking that everything is going to be handed to him on a golden medal.

Excellent observation.

It's impossible to improve if you're not properly criticized. Helpful criticism serves the skater in improving, as it did Evan. Patrick (and others) may learn a hard lesson down the road if they win too easily. It gives them a false sense of security, whereas when judges are nitpicky (even unfairly) it only makes you SO much better IF you take the responsibility to improve!