Broadcast Dates

Are the broadcast dates under the "BS Zelda Info" section complete? I found a source that suggests there was a broadcast of "The Legend of Zelda" (Note, not BS The Legend of Zelda) on March 23, 1997. Worryingly, this source also repeats the thing about "The Legend of Zelda Remix" but again it gives no date. It does specify that BS ZnD: Kamigami no Triforce was broadcast in 1997 but that's as specific as it gets on that front.

This post has been edited by MadHatter on Feb 8 2009, 12:59 AM

I doubt we have complete scheduling info. I could check Kameb's site though. It doesn't have anything from 1995-early 96 nor anything past 1998....

(EDIT: Ok, here's where we start.

http://www.f3.dion.ne.jp/~kameb/satella/st_slg.htm

This is the list of all the Soundlink game releases and their PREMIERE broadcasts (not to be confused with a list of all their broadcasts)

BS Zelda MAP1 is on the top of the list

1995/08/09 ＢＳゼルダの伝説
第１話 VTR
　記念すべき第１回目です。サウンドリンクゲームの歴史はココから始まりました。
　内容はファミコン版をベースにしています。Level1，Level2のダンジョンをクリアすることがノルマです。
1995/08/16 ＢＳゼルダの伝説
第２話 VTR
　今回のノルマはLevel3，Level4のダンジョンです。
1995/08/23 ＢＳゼルダの伝説
第３話 VTR
　今回のノルマはLevel５，Level６のダンジョンです。
1995/08/30 ＢＳゼルダの伝説
第４話 VTR
今回のノルマはLevel7，Level8のダンジョンです。ラスボスの「ガノン」は、ファミコン版ではLevel9のダンジョンにいましたが、ＢＳ版では意外な場所に現れます。

Later on is MAP2

1995/12/30
～
1995/12/31 ＢＳゼルダの伝説ＭＡＰ２
第１話 VTR
1996/01/01
～
1996/01/02 ＢＳゼルダの伝説ＭＡＰ２
第２話 VTR
1996/01/03
～
1996/01/04 ＢＳゼルダの伝説ＭＡＰ２
第３話 VTR


And then there's Sekiban

1997/03/30
～
1997/04/05 ＢＳゼルダの伝説　古代の石盤
第１話
1997/04/06
～
1997/04/12 ＢＳゼルダの伝説　古代の石盤
第２話
1997/04/13
～
1997/04/19 ＢＳゼルダの伝説　古代の石盤
第３話
1997/04/20
～
1997/04/26 ＢＳゼルダの伝説　古代の石盤
第４話

Now, I'm gonna try looking at the schedule listings. It helps that from what I've learned recently, it seems St. Giga usually only changed the broadcasting schedule either weekly, or for key events.

Notably, I recall some rebroadcasts, but March 23, 1997 was -not- one of them. In fact, I do see this:

◇21:00～21:30 ゼルダの伝説 神々のトライフォース 早乙女学園

Which would be Kamigami no Triforce - NOT MAP1, MAP2 or Sekiban. Also it was likely on the schedule throughout that whole month, but I'll need to check on that.

Right, some more things.

1997/6/1(日)～1997/6/6(金)
◎18:00～19:00 ＢＳゼルダの伝説 古代の石盤 第１話(再放送) バグポタミア神殿

Sekiban was rebroadcast in June the same year. the 1st, 8th, 15th, and 22nd of the month for each episode, respectively.

1997/12/7(日)～1997/12/9(火)
◇13:30～14:00 ゼルダの伝説 神々のトライフォース ゲーム博物館

Another Kamigami entry. It was apparently on through most of the month of December.

And on 1997/01/01

☆16:30～17:00 ＢＳゼルダの遊び方 バグポタミア神殿
◎17:00～18:00 ＢＳゼルダの伝説 第１話 バグポタミア神殿

MAP1 rebroadcasted. Unlike some of the others, this went -daily- from 1 through 4.

I do not see any notable rebroadcasts for MAP2.


This post has been edited by KiddoCabbusses on Feb 8 2009, 04:31 AM

OK, interestingly it seems the only time they fail to use the term "ＢＳゼルダの伝説" and instead use the "ゼルダの伝説" formulation is when discussing Kamigami no Triforce which makes sense to me since it was just the broadcast of the original game without any actual difference from the original (at least that's my understanding).

According to what I've seen there were 2 other games broadcast with the "ゼルダの伝説" formulation (i.e. missing the BS). These were The Legend of Zelda (broadcast March 23, 1997 along with Make a Great Game of the Tiger, BS Ihatov Story, and Kushida Shino Looks Back 2 Years), and The Legend of Zelda Remix (unknown broadcast date).

Now that I look closer at the Kameb site, I've found the March 23, 1997 broadcast I was talking about (here), but they use the term "ゼルダの伝説ＢＳ" there.

EDIT: OK I see they have run two items together at the Kameb site. Thus "ゼルダの伝説ＢＳイーハトーヴォ物語櫛田・しのはら、2年間を振り返る" Is the same as saying "The Legend of Zelda BS Kushida Shino Looks Back 2 Years" In the source I have it was separated into "The Legend of Zelda" and "BS Kushida Shino Looks Back 2 Years." I thought the Kushida Shino stuff was a non-game broadcast like the Tiger stuff, though, so does the BS assignation make sense? It's a little weird that they would have changed from calling it "ＢＳゼルダの伝説" to "ゼルダの伝説ＢＳ", but perhaps that makes more sense than that they had used the BS tag with a non-game broadcast. I don't know. Very confusing.

This post has been edited by MadHatter on Feb 8 2009, 05:10 AM

For reference, "Game Tora" was a series of digests for Satellaview news and articles. Looking there is likely NOT correct to see a game broadcast - it could very well be a news report referencing something else related to the games.

Also, each of those terms are separated by a <br> so for the first example it'd be "BS Zelda no Densetsu", while the second would would merely be "Zelda no Densetsu" and the "BS" afterward is for the next item.

Either of those could be news articles meant to coincide with a release - the first one for MAP2, the second one for the first uploading of Kamigami no Triforce. They are not separate releases in and of themselves, and for them to be so would contradict the programming schedule put on the same site.

OK, Sorry. I think my source must be hopelessly garbled. For some reason I have all of these listed as simply "BS Titles" which led me to think "ゼルダの伝説" might be the title of a non-live-voice game like BSZnD:KnT instead of a digest. I'm certain you're right though since it doesn't appear at Kameb's Super Hour page but rather his "Game Tora" page. It may sound ridiculous, but I'd actually still be interested in the data even if I couldn't play it. I guess this thread really belongs with the "Official BS manuals, etc." thread I started. Sorry to make you go through all that for nothing. You're a good sport, Kiddo.

EDIT: In fact, I now see here that it's listed as a magazine entry after all so yeah this really belongs with the other thread. The only game-related mystery relates to BS Zelda Remix which they definitely list as a game, but I guess we're told that's a mistake, correct?

This post has been edited by MadHatter on Feb 8 2009, 03:53 PM

As far as anyone knows, yes.
"BS Zelda Remix" was originally the fan-term for what is now known as MAP1 Dai-3-wa. It's since been used as a title for Mottzilla's hack. Any references to that having been on the Satellaview are likely mistakes made by previous attempts to archive the Satellaview data having mistaken assumptions.

How totally bizarre. Why the 3rd Story of all choices? People are so weird. And then to use the same term for the Motzilla hack? I don't think it could be any more confusing if they tried. I think this sort of thing is common whenever you have big demand among English speaking fans and the Japanese companies responsible for the product don't care. I've seen the same horrible confusion surrounding the order of the Final Fantasy series and the proper way to watch Neon Genesis Evangelion. If only those Japanese businessmen knew what agonies we Anglophones go through.

Anyway I've seen no reference to it that included a broadcast time so I bet it is just a case of mistaken identity. It doesn't help that St. Siga uses the terms "rebroadcast" and "rerun" interchangeably in its official news bulletins.

On a related topic, where are we getting our data from to support the broadcast dates for the first game (MAP1)? I think Kameb only started subscribing to the ASCII magazines so they are notably missing from his "Super Hour" listing. Is this data from the old Nintendo Database site? And how sure are we of the accuracy of the dates? Some of the stuff at Kameb's site suggests different broadcast dates. Who should we trust more? I'm leaning toward Kameb's stuff despite the fact that even the source I was using before suggests the same dates as here. Any thoughts on the matter?

Kameb's site had a separate listing for the premires of all the "Soundlink" compatible titles.
http://www.f3.dion.ne.jp/%7Ekameb/satella/st_slg.htm
Due to the recent trends on my own discoveries, I've been trusting his site more and more as a schedule/premiere info site than anything else whatsoever. Even if I don't know his sources, his information goes along WAY too well with what we find out or know to be coincidence, with nothing in terms of a contradiction yet.

As for the whole issue with "BS Zelda Remix", chalk it up to the ROM scene being a confusing mess - BS Zelda Dai-3-wa was being fiddled with and hacked with by people who knew neither Japanese or the Satellaview, long before any actual concrete information about how the game ran came to be. There were a large amount of misguided assumptions.
The mis-titling of the game was the least of the problems.

Yeah, if you check out the thread I started called something about the "News Reading Room," you can see why I question the dates we have up on the site here. By my count, the proper dates look more like this:

Aug 6-11, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 1st Story
Aug 13-18, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 2nd Story
Aug 20-25, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 3rd Story
Aug 27-31, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 4th Story
Sep 3-8, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 1st Story (Rerun)
Sep 10-15, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 2nd Story (Rerun)
Sep 17-22, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 3rd Story (Rerun)
Sep 24-29, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 4th Story (Rerun)
Oct 1-Nov 27, 1995 (Sundays, Mondays, Tuesdays only) - BS The Legend of Zelda Reruns
Dec 30&31, 1995 - BS The Legend of Zelda Map 2 The 1st Story
Jan 1&2, 1996 - BS The Legend of Zelda Map 2 The 2nd Story
Jan 3&4, 1996 - BS The Legend of Zelda Map 2 The 3rd Story
Jan 5&6, 1996 - BS The Legend of Zelda Map 2 The 4th Story
Mar 3-31. 1996 (excluding Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays) - BS The Legend of Zelda Map 2 Reruns {NB: I'm not sure from what I've read if 3/3, 3/4, 3/5, 3/6, 3/30, or 3/31 were actually broadcast dates for Zelda in 1996}
Jan 1, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 1st Story
Jan 2, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 2nd Story
Jan 3, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 3rd Story
Jan 4, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda The 4th Story {NB: These last four were apparently intended as a competition}
Mar 2, 1997 (twice) - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mar 3-29, 1997 (twice daily with weekly half-hour changes) - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Rerun)
Mar 31-Apr 5, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 1st Story
Apr 6-12, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 2nd Story
Apr 13-19, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 3rd Story
Apr 20-26, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 4th Story
Jun 1-7, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 1st Story (Rerun)
Jun 8-14, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 2nd Story (Rerun)
Jun 15-21, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 3rd Story (Rerun)
Jun 22-28, 1997 - BS The Legend of Zelda Ancient Stone Tablets The 4th Story (Rerun)
Dec 1-27, 1997 (with some fluctuation in broadcast time) - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Rerun)
Mar 1-28, 1998 (with some fluctuation in broadcast time) - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Rerun)

This post has been edited by MadHatter on Feb 9 2009, 02:34 AM

Could you get some citations for the pre-March 96 ones? I assume they're on Kameb somewhere but I'm still practicing my Japanese, so I wouldn't know if there's a listing for all the Soundlink reruns in particular

Most of the cites I found were the ones I put up in the "News Reading Room" thread, so they're a little second hand. In other words, they represent Kameb's transcriptions of the Satellaview News Reports, but as far as that goes, they jive quite well with the dates he reports for the messages themselves so if there's error it's at least consistent.

This is my logic:
This link shows two pre-BS Zelda items (one on July 16, 1995 and the other on July 31, 1995) that both state that BS Zelda will premiere on August 6, 1995. Considering how close in time especially the July 31 report is, I think it's unlikely they would have changed last second. The August 6 (Sunday) date also seems more likely to me than the August 9 (Wednesday) date since Aug 6 fits so nicely with the Sunday rescheduling pattern St. Giga seems to have used most frequently. The July 16 item, meanwhile, also spells out the fact that the subsequent maps will be broadcast every following Sunday.

This link again backs up the August 6 start date with the August 8, 1995 and August 14, 1995 news items. The August 14 item also lays out a clear schedule for the September 1995 reruns. In fact, I think this item serves to announce the reruns. The August 22, 1995 item seems to back up the earlier July 16 suggestion that the fourth episode of BS Zelda will start on August 27, 1995 (a Sunday), and it also explains that the September 1995 reruns will occur every day but Saturday (hence why I've excluded September 9, 16, 23, and 30).

At this link I believe the September 29, 1995 item describes the start of the second set of BS Zelda reruns on October 1, 1995.

We can find another nice clear schedule laid out in this link where the premiere of BS Zelda Map 2 is described in the December 4, 1995 item. This is bolstered by the December 27, 1995 item which, again, I give great credence to since it is so close in time to the event itself.

Here the February 16, 1996 item again backs up the BS Zelda Map 2 dates from above, explaining that the game was released on New Years.

That does it for the "News Reading Room" sources.

This copy of the November, 1995 Communications magazine clearly lays out the schedule for the October reruns. I think this is the third party (ASCII) publication I keep hearing about, but I'm not sure. The only reason I guess this is that I think there were only 2 magazines that printed Satellaview schedules and the other one is Famitsu.

Not too surprisingly, the December, 1995 issue contains a clear schedule for the November reruns.

This copy of Communications from January 1996 backs up the dates for the premiere of BS Zelda Map 2 again.

A few other issues of Communications magazine mention BS Zelda, but not in any meaningful way. It seems that Kameb hasn't bothered to transcribe the full articles in most cases, and I for one don't blame him even if I selfishly wish he had... So that's how I came to the schedule (pre-March '96) that I gave before. It's a shame that I wasn't able to find any second source to back up the single source of Kameb, but on the other hand everything he has seems to agree broadly with the sketchy details we had before. The ranges we can come up with from Kameb usually cover the earlier dates. Also, due to the agreement between his sources, I think we can eliminate the possibility that he made many typos, and for some of these dates backed up by 3 or 4 sources, he'd have to be laying traps for us purposely if they're wrong.
I wish I could remember where I got the schedule info I have that talks about the two BSZ-related Soundlink Magazines, but unfortunately I renamed it soon after copying it and I found it shortly before XMas, so I have no clue where it came from. I'll scour my notes to see. I often take notes on my past research, they're just such a complete tangle it's ridiculous.

Oh, I didn't know that the games were broadcasted so often, thanks for the list. We have the first broadcast dates at the info page, so there's no need to add anything I guess

We could add a link to a tiny lil' txt file.

I mean, the dates we have up fall within the ranges I believe they should, but particularly the dates for BS Zelda (Map 1) bother me. Why have them weekly on Wednesdays instead of Sundays when the broadcast schedule changed. I mean I think it's important to historians (and nerds such as myself) that if we're only displaying dates for the first run that we should start with the first date which would be August 6. I'm pretty certain about the August 6 start-date since it's corroborated by as many as four News Reading Room items and it follows St.Giga's normal practice of starting new broadcasts on a Sunday.

I like the broadcast dates that we have in Info for Map 2 and for Kodai no Sekiban, but again, we have no date for Kamigami no Triforce which, I believe, premiered on March 2, 1997. I also thought we had determined that Kodai no Sekiban's actual name was Inishie no Sekiban, and I'm not sure but I don't think Kamigami no Triforce or Legend of Zelda Remix had the "BS" label since there was no live voice. All sources I've seen refer to them without the "BS".

Finally, and now I'm just getting picky, but under "Free Gifts" there is a reference cited, but it's unclickable. I think we should either remove it or link to a suitable replacement. There are definitely references to free gifts in the news items I posted, although they may be a bit discursive for our purposes. And then the thrice-linked pasofami77 "broadcast list" seems to be broken for me. Does anyone else have any trouble with it? If we can get ahold of this xls list, couldn't we host it here and just give pasofami77 proper dues? I'm actually quite curious about this list since I have a mysterious xls list that may or may not be the same as the pasofami list. I'd like to compare.

Oh sorry, one ultimate final thing: Could a mod edit my list of dates to change this line:

to instead read:

Cheers, -MH

I think I'm going with MadHatter on this one. For the shrine to be useful it needs to make sure it's information is as accurate as possible. This includes any of the release date info.

I think we should try to gather all the possible broadcast dates we can - it will certainly help in comfirming validity. By the way, these dates are likely on the headers of the ROMs on our site. We should put those up to check if they go along with all this info.