Holy Sacrificial Blunder(Spoilers), Twinrova goofed up by kidnapping Zelda.

Why Nintendo decided to have Twinrova kidnap and sacrifice Zelda is beyond me. After all Link is the warrior, and they should have (not that I want Link to die, but you have to agree that Nintendo severely messed up the storyline.) spilled Link's blood, not anticipating that Zelda would save the day, with help from the three oracles and the two Maku Trees. You see this is particularily annoying because we're talking about Twinrova here, and these demon witches are connected with the Gerudos who are almost all females, and hate most males. What's most out-rageous about this is that they had 2 chances to deviate from the typical "damsel in distress" storyline and they chose to not deviate, not once, but TWICE?!?! Nintendo I love your works, but that is RIDICULOUS!!!! Zelda should have rescued him but not in the games or the manga. That really aggrivates me.

I... don't get it. "Zelda should have rescued him but not in the games or the manga"? Where else?

Anyway, Twinnie doesn't have the same hero (the same Link) who killed Ganon to sacrifice, which is probably why they had to go through all the trouble of alighting those three flames. After that was done, they still needed a pure vessel for Ganon's spirit to live again within and who's purer than a fair princess?

There, that was probably the reasoning behind Oracle's plot. That and Capcom not wanting to drop the damsel in distress thing, which I approve since that is Zelda's (and princesses in general) role by definition.

"There, that was probably the reasoning behind Oracle's plot. That and Capcom not wanting to drop the damsel in distress thing, which I approve since that is Zelda's (and princesses in general) role by definition." That was totally unfair, Duke Serkol, besides I believe it to be (if not OOT Link) at least ALTTP Link (and I definitly believe it to be both, since Twinrova threatened to come back to haunt him, and she most certainly did in OOA/OOS.) Many fairy tales don't have the annoyingly popular "damsel in distress", just the ones we have come to know through the collections of fairy-tales by Perrault and the Grimm Brothers. Besides, red, blue, and pink? Should'nt it be red, blue, and GREEN, to make it more appropriate, and syphon the three goddeses powers into reviving Ganon.

Yes, well, too bad for the whole "Link and Zelda introducing themselves over and over", eh?
And as for Twinrova, most people place Oracles in the timeline in which those witches did not die (the so called "child timeline")

*Shrugs*

I think that's purple actually, and that they are not really getting power from the Goddesses... but yeah, green would have made more sense.

[Edit]Just in case I'm misread here... I'm not making it a "boy =/= girl" issue, I have no complaints about BS Zelda having a girl protagonist (although optional as you may know), I'm making it a matter of "hero =/= princess".[/edit]

This post has been edited by Duke Serkol on May 29 2007, 01:08 AM

Twinrova were using a different method to revive Ganon in the Oracles than the one that was depicted in AoL. Like Duke has already mentioned, a reason for this could be because it is not physically the same Link as the one who had killed Ganon prior to OoX (whichever Link you happen to think that one was). It has to be a new Link and Zelda in the Oracles because, like Duke has mentioned, Zelda introduces herself to Link in both versions of the Oracles when you meet her for the first time.

OoA: Thank you for rescuing me. My name is Zelda. You are Link, right?
I knew it at first glance. Take this as thanks for rescuing me.

OoS: Thank you for saving me from danger. My name is Zelda. You must be Link. I knew it at first glance.

One more thing too... Ganon was said to have been totally destroyed in ALttP, we saw no ashes left. In AoL we were told that Link's blood had to be poured on Ganon's ashes, this may not have been possible after ALttP.

I am still very annoyed at the whole thing, Conillius. Was it Nintendo or Capcom that decided to stick with the "helpless maiden" storyline and make Link the hero once again? I think the AOL storyline was much better (in the respect of Link's blood being spilled on the ashes of Ganon as a sacrifice to revive the Devil King, the oracles storyline was OK otherwise.) Also the artwork was quite flawed as well. Plus, they should'nt have put in ANY introductions, because then it would have made much more sense seeing as these games are VERY similiar to OOT, MM, ALTTP, and (less so) LA. I also noticed that the horse that Link rides is identical to Epona, either she is the reincarnation of Epona, which would seem rather unlikely, because Zelda's and Link's reincarnations look strikingly different then their previous incarnations. Should'nt Epona have different traits, too? And besides if Twinrova promises to come back to haunt Link, then, would she not do that to him, and not his reincarnation. Besides, even if she DID come back to haunt his reincarnation, then it would still make a lot more sense to sacrifice him instead of Zelda. Also is'nt Zelda a reincarnation of her previous self. If so then it would make no more sense to sacrifice her than Link.

"One more thing too... Ganon was said to have been totally destroyed in ALttP, we saw no ashes left. In AoL we were told that Link's blood had to be poured on Ganon's ashes, this may not have been possible after ALttP." I personally think that AOL happens after ALTTP.

Are you here to talk of what you would like the game to be like or what they are like? Because, ya know, if they introduce each other that's a canon fact, and none of us is going to change it.

If they can't be bothered to change Epona's traits that doesn't mean it has to be the same exact horse. Heck, in real life I can't tell two horses colored the same from oe another, I don't see how we can even tell they share the same traits.

Twinrova was definitely giving Link a lot of troubles. She tried to kill him hard enough I honestly don't see how she could decide to sacrifice him since 1) she wouldn't be able to capture him and 2) Zelda is clearly the purest vessel she could hope for (and taking her away lights the flame of dispair too).

Obviously to each Link his Zelda. This is not about sacrificing the people who brought down Ganon as Coinilius and I both told you, so it doesn't have to "make sense" in that regard.

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You mean in the same timeline later on after ALttP (with other games inbetween) or directly after AlttP (with no games inbetween)?
At any rate, AoL was made as a sequel to LoZ, and AlttP as a prequel to both NES games. Do your math [/edit]

This post has been edited by Duke Serkol on May 29 2007, 02:54 AM

How exactly was the artwork flawed? I'm assuming you mean manual book artwork - was it the style that you didn't like or was there something actually 'flawed' about it that you're refering to?

"You mean in the same timeline later on after ALttP (with other games inbetween) or directly after AlttP (with no games inbetween)?" The latter, Duke, besides even the timeline you pieced together says the same thing. "How exactly was the artwork flawed? I'm assuming you mean manual book artwork - was it the style that you didn't like or was there something actually 'flawed' about it that you're refering to?" Two things are really annoying about the oracles artwork, coinillius: for one thing Link has a really bad hairstyle, which looks awful the way it is all bushy (which might look better on ALTTP GBA Link, but not on an extremely short Link like the oracles link.) For the second point Impa's obese, and that does not set well with me at all... (I think you will DEFINETLY have to agree with me on that.) Otherwise the artwork was great.

Well, I don't really know if they count as making the artwork flawed, just that there are certain design choices you don't agree with. Yeah, Link's hair was pretty doofy looking, but personally, I really liked fat, jolly Impa - her design looked cool and she had a pretty good role in the two games. Considering the vast difference between the frail, hunched over crone Impa of LoZ/AoL and the powerful warrior Impa of OoT, I never had a problem with the OoX version.

Double posting again Ken? You just can't help clicking that button more than once, eh?

Anyway, I have no idea where you get that I place AoL directly after ALttP, but I most definitely do not.
Not only was LoZ always between the two games, but over the years LA and Oracles (not to mention AST) got put between ALttP and LoZ too.
At least I add those in there, but admittedly Oracles and (since their release) LA, could be placed elsewhere in the timeline (but I don't think that's the case).

The thing is, he probably believes them to be the same person. Is that it?

Oops. My apologies. I meant the former. Sorry, Duke. I still think that the AOL storyline would work much better for the oracles though. (Although I enjoyed having Twinrova as a boss.)

Ah alright then, so you do place LoZ (and Oracles?) between ALttP and AoL, right?