The end of timeline speculation?, *SPOILERS!*

Not sure what's the problem with LA, but as for BS Zelda, would it make much sense to include both? I mean AST has its own story, but not so much the other.

I admit there isn't much, but it's about as much as NES Zelda.
Anyhow, I just thought "Why would they split the timeline in three if they -weren't- gonna do something like explain away changes in a remake to time travel?"

Imagine having BS Zelda tossed in next to FSA in that 2nd prong. Would it contradict anything there?

I imagine it wouldn't no.
Heck, there are several games that could happen on more than one timeline branch. Like suppose ALttP and Oracles had been on different branches, both could have been followed by LA.

Indeed - instant fix for the 'is LA after ALttP or OoX' debate

Funny question: if oracles happens only in the ALttP branch... what becomes of Twinrova in the MM branch?

Yeah, that it does.

That's what I meant, yes. And if it wasn't for that one, it could easily be dubbed the "mature looking games" branch.

And I guess we just totally needed the games that have two now necessarily different mirrors with a dark tribe sealed away in the same timeline branch

Not sure what's the problem with LA, but as for BS Zelda, would it make much sense to include both? I mean AST has its own story, but not so much the other.

I agree, this comes off as a what if... but the other two timelines are not what if alternatives to each other, they are dependant on one another to exist... so this makes little sense.
I've been thinking though: it could work if another split occurred before OoT, so that the events of the game could have gone differently.

Wow... I can't even begin to count the things that are wrong with this... for a start (aside from the fact that there's no given reason such a thing should occur) if everything is the same up to that point, there's no reason the next seven years should be any different than what we've seen, meaning Ganondorf should split the Triforce (who'd get Courage I wouldn't know) and be able to conquer Hyrule (even before getting the other two parts), wiping out all soldiers, knights and whatnot in his way. So yeah, there's no plausible way for things to play out as ALttP described them based on that.

And Ganon didn't even take over Hyrule Castle according to ALttP's backstory, so Link not disappearing forever... makes things worse? *facepalm*

@Emphasized passage#1: ...So true...

@Emphasized passage#2: Umm, the Sattalaview LOZ remake has a significantly different storyline, if that's what you meant by that...

Also, after reading the last couple of posts, I'd like to say that I think that OOX happens AFTER AOL, & although I know that is seen setting off on a boat, in what appears to look like the beginning of LA, & AST presumably happens at the same time as LA, I seem to recall the Owl in LA saying that Link might return to Kohonlit, although please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken...

Although he could still return, even if I AM mistaken about what the owl said...

Not THAT significantly...

It was a possible placement, but there was really no real reason to favor it other than possibly the mark on the hand.

It's actually the same sprite.

Yeah that was the idea. Of course that wouldn't be possible in this timeline.

Yes, yes you're mistaken.

I'd like to think so too.

21:18

I see a Satellaview! Unfortunately, very little about it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77ry6Srx_I...player_embedded

As I posted on the Blog: Any scans of that would be appreciated. Or, to put it more bluntly, "OMG WANT NOW GIMME RARRRRRRRR"

Not THAT significantly...

It was a possible placement, but there was really no real reason to favor it other than possibly the mark on the hand.

It's actually the same sprite.

Yeah that was the idea. Of course that wouldn't be possible in this timeline.

Yes, yes you're mistaken.

I'd like to think so too.

1) Maybe not, but still, significantly enough to matter...

2) I can think of another reason, or maybe even a few, although it depends upon an alternate idea...

You might recall the following post from the thread, "Secrets of the Fairy Magic", by me:

1 of my only gripes with this timeline is that I think OOX SHOULD GO BEFORE AOL, for 1 reason:

Twinrova could be the 1's to sacrifice in AOL, & possibly kidnap him, if that happened, & that would ease my grudge against OOX, as long as, #1) at least FARORE were sacrificed in the the latter games, #2) the current Zelda rescues Link, & maybe the boy Hero of Light be sacrificed in AOL, & Zelda & the girl Hero of Light rescued them, & so all of those situations would take care of my grudge against OOX...

I mean, how many times have BOYS been the damsels-in-distress in Zelda?!

Far too few for my taste...

& this is TWINROVA we are talking about, so, they SHOULD DO IT, at least once, as should other villians, especially female villians, doubly so for diabolical hags...

3) What is that supposed to mean?!

4) ...Too bad...

5) ...Oh well... I thought he said it after Link beats the Final Nightmare, as he's ascending what looks like a LONG SET OF STAIRS...

I do have LADX3DS on my 3DS, so when I get to that point, I'll try to double-check...

6) Possible, no?!

This post has been edited by Tuf Pic on Dec 24 2011, 03:58 AM

I would say no to that.

...unless we make an additional mini-timeline branch off just before LoZ

I... don't see how that is a reason at all, considering AoL is not like that.

The sprite of Link leaving on a boat at the end of OoX, it's the same sprite used in the intro of LA, except with the sails down.

Actually never mind because it appears these guys are trying to pass Oracles Link as being the same Link of ALttP

On the plus side, this means AST can certainly still happen during LA.
On the downside, this means these fools never freaking played Oracles (or worse ALttP) and don't know that Zelda introduces herself to Link in both Oracles and ALttP.

If this is true, that pretty much invalidates the credibility of the whole thing in my eyes much more than Link disappearing in OoT.

...I'm putting FSA back before ALttP.

I believe you're thinking of the Wind Fish saying Link may one day recall the island (recall as in having a recollection, not call it back into existance, seeing as the next line is "that memory will be all that remains of this island in the waking world")

...but it is possible that I may be misremembering, do let me know.

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Okay, here's the timeline. I patched it together from a youtube video of someone flipping through the book.
It doesn't look pretty but for now it'll have to do.



You guys see what I mean about Oracles? Whereas games like MM and TP are separated by a lot of space and have different text on the side (which I presume is meant to attribute the games on the right to a certain time period or a certain incarnation of Link), ALttP Oracles and LA are all squezzed up together with the same notation on the side.

At any rate... I'd really like to know what those notations on the side actually say... as well as the text between games. Looks like this thing also lists events between games like the arrival of the Minish, the sealing of the Twili's ancestors and stuff like that.
I know it's blurry, but can you make anything of that, Bluesun?

Listed under "The Illusive Rare Zeldas", it states that by attaching an adapter to a SNES, BS Zelda no Densetsu, an adaptation of Zelda no Densetsu, and BS Zelda no Densetsu Kodai* no Sekiban, an adaptation of Kamigami no Triforce, could be played; and that since the service ended in 2000, now they are no longer playable.

Note: There are possibly errors from the blurriness, so don't take every word of this as gospel. That said, most is probably correct.

The Legend of the Gods and the Hero of Time
The Era of Creation: Heaven and Earth are created
[spoiler]The Era of the Goddess Hylia･[/spoiler]The Era of the Skies: Skyward Sword: [spoiler]An ancient battle, the reincarnation of the goddess Hylia, discovery of land[/spoiler]
-gap-
[spoiler]The Era of Chaos: The Holy Ground is sealed
The Era of [unreadable]: The Kingdom of Hyrule is Founded[/spoiler]
The Era of Force: Mysterious Hat: The Demon Guffaw is Born
　　　 　　　 　　　 　　　 Four Swords: Guffaw is Revived
The Era of the Hero of Time: Hyrule Unification War
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 　　　　　　 Ocarina of Time: A world of Darkness forms in the Holy Ground, Ganondorf becomes the Demon Ganon


-Branch alpha-: The Hero of Time Fails
The Decline of Hyrule and the Last Hero
-gap-: Seal War
The Era of Light and Darkness: Triforce of the Gods: Ganon is Revived
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　Mysterious Nuts: Ganon is Revived
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　Dreaming Island
The Golden Era: The Monarchy uses the Triforce
The Era of Decline: Tragedy of the first Princess Zelda
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 The Legend of Zelda: Ganon is Revived
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 Link's Adventure: Ganon's Revival is Stopped

-Branch beta-: The Hero of Time Wins: The Holy Ground is Protected As a Child
The World of Shadow and the Hero's Descendant
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 　　　　　　 Majora's Mask
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 　　　　　　 Execution of Ganondorf
-gap-
The Era of Twilight: Twilight Princess: The Shadow Invasion
The Era of Shadow: Four Swords+Hyrule Adventure: Ganondorf Reincarnates, Guffaw is Revived

-Branch gamma-: The Hero of Time Wins: Ganondorf is Sealed As an Adult
The Hero of Wind and the New World
The Heroless Era: Ganondorf is Revived, Hyrule Sealed, Flooded
The Era of the Great Sea Plains: Takt of the Wind: Ganondorf is Revived
The Era of the Great Sea Voyage: Phantom Hourglass
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　 　　　　　　A new continent is Found
The Era of New Hyrule: The Kingdom of New Hyrule is Founded
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　Whistling Earth: The Demon Madora is Revived

This post has been edited by Duke Serkol on Dec 25 2011, 12:16 AM

Wow! That was fast and thorough! You're awesome Bluesun!

Uh, oops, looks like it was here that I'd gotten the link to that youtube video. I had kind of forgot

Mh... I wonder if the sealing of the Twili Ancestors coincides with [spoiler]The Era of Chaos: The Holy Ground is sealed[/spoiler].

Nothing concerning the arrival of the Minish and the Hero of Men (nor when exactly Malladus was sealed)... ah well.

I think "The peoples of Hyrule war" means "Civil war among the people of Hyrule".
Edit: Oh, I see you already fixed that one up /edit

Funny (read stupid) that ALttP, OoX and LA all fall within the same era while TWW and PH are in different ones

Looks like in this timeline the sleeping Zelda ("Tragedy of the new Princess Zelda") is not the first Zelda... as should have been obvious to anybody who's played OoT anyway
Are you sure about the word "new"?

Why do you think something's missing after FSA? Or is that written in the page?

This post has been edited by Duke Serkol on Dec 24 2011, 09:41 PM

I was staying silent until now because it was all rumors, but now there's quite a lot of evidence piling up. Thanks Duke for the little reconstruction and super thanks bluesun for the translation!

That said, I can't believe Nintendo just threw the fans a Back to the Future plot element to explain their timeline. How lazy.

Not to mention that the timeline presented here is full of contradictions...

Looks like there's a box with a few words about AST and Link's Crossbow training as well (probably just to say they are not canon lol)

I also tried to get the text that was on the left of the timeline, but it seems illegible. Maybe you can at least tell what the title says?

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