I was wondering: do you believe in 1, (or more), multiverse(s), or metaverse(s)? I'll start: yes, I do, because I have always suspected that anything that can be imagined does exist, in some form or another, and maybe predates it's "creator", plus both some Scientists, not to mention Occultists like me, suspect that they exist, and if both sides have adherents that say they do, then it IS probably correct!!!! If any of you need more information, which I suspect you won't, but :...: oh well, just in case you do:

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and if you want to learn about it in fantasy and fiction, well then:

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Anyways, I just wanted to know what you're opinions were, please converse!!!!

While everyone reading this reply is likely to "face-palm" and question my reasoning here, I actually do follow the ideas that there are likely (not confirmed, likely) parallel and mirror universes... but only in the context of "Parallel dimensions".

I am not one that believes in "infinite universes/dimensions", mind you, but I do believe that there could be at least one or more neighboring dimensions that overlap our own, and interact through energy exchanges at those brief overlappings.

The only reason that I "think" it's possible, is because of what we're learning this last decade (or so) about quantum mechanics, string theory, and even transmission of particles and how they interact in our time/space. To me, the theories and ideas put into play to explain how the universe functions gives me at least enough reason to scratch my chin and go "Hmmmm... maybe, maybe".

But I'm not going to go as far as you, to say that "For every thought, every action, every person, there is a potential for a parallel equivalent!". The only possible idea that has made me think it has even a slim chance of being "possible", is the idea that actions in the timestream... big important events, cause ripples up and down "time"... and that each "event" bifurcates the "time stream" to reflect the alternative "choices" or "outcomes" that could have arose from that event. This would, of course, be limited to significant events for the timeline... but it's doubtful it would even encompass universes where you are "left-handed" while in this universe/dimension you are "right-handed".

Those are my thoughts about the subject. There are interesting ideas out there, and with the fact that scientists are attempting to understand "Strange Matter" and "Anti-Matter" and are wanting to explore deeper and deeper into the universe... well who knows what will be found?

I'm glad we can agree to a limited extent, Tre!!!! ;) Although, I DO believe in an infinite number of parallel realities, so we don't see EXACTLY EYE TO EYE!!!! And I figure that in some realities, the BS Zelda :link: sprites could exist, (*throwback to Zelda*, LOL), and there could be ONE LINK ON THE CT, AND HE COULD BE PART KOKIRI, as well as various other differences from the mainstream reality!!!!

After all, the Zelda mangas are fan-made, and as you and Coinilius said, alternative versions MIGHT EXIST IN ALTERNATE REALITIES, as does Termina in the Zelda-Multiverse!!!!

I hope I didn't go off on a different *bandwagon*, but I was just giving an example to demonstrate my point...

EDIT: I also believe in different types of alternate realities, such as ones with different natural laws, ones with differing historical events, and... realities with BOTH ASPECTS IN SAID REALITY!!!!

And while the "all thoughtforms=parallel realities theory" would mean that stuff I DON'T care for, would also exist, such as the *Calatia Scenario*, I would do my best to IGNORE those realities, to the best of my abilities!!!!

...Oh man, why did I encourage you... *Face-palm*

I was just demonstrating my point, and I couldn't think of any other examples, at least for the moment, and do you really WANT TO BELIEVE the ridiculous *multiple Zeldas and Links on the CT, and Link is a FULL-blooded Hylian* nonsense?!?!

I don't think you want to do you...

I'm perfectly fine with multiple ZELDAS, and LINKS, as long as they are in different realities, and NOT *a-dozen-a-day*, on the CT, at least in many realities!!!! :P

Those are a lot of characters and people!!!! :rotflmho:

EDIT: @Duke Serkol: were you the one who voted on the "No I don't" choice?!?!
If so, then we know YOU'RE OPINION NOW!!!! If not, then please vote... And I would like to hear you're reasons why you don't/do believe in Alternate Universes... Or maybe you are not sure...

@Serkol - I LOL'd hard at that. Also: WTFBBQLOLOL!!1one11!!

@Pic - Actually, and please take this as it's intended (Ie. Seriously): I don't care two $#@&s about whether there are multiple Links and Zeldas, or just one of each... or if they're freaking bi-gendered super mutates from some fat guy's butt. I play the games because they're fun and keep me entertained. I don't need to go: "Oh wait a second... is this Link a Super Saiyan Plant-man?! Oh noes!!!!" to have fun with it. Over-thinking and complicating a GAME which was originally designed with minimal plot/story laid out... well that ruins all the enjoyment for me.

This is why I don't post in the "Theories!" threads, or anything discussing the story. To me, it's just a series of enjoyable games (more-or-less)... and at the end of the day, all the "ideas/theories" in the world mean absolutely NOTHING without proof one way or the other from the source.

As for multiple timelines, you have my opinion already on it... though for a little more understanding, part of my rational is the theory of conservation of energy... that energy can neither be created or destroyed, only changed and redirected. This can cover pretty much everything in our universe... but still brings to mind the question of: "We know we're made of "energy"... but where did it come from?!". Which could posit the idea of a secondary universe where our energy comes from, and shifts back to when it's exhausted it's "form".

That's just one of my ideas. But ideas are like the butt, we all got one, but we don't need to show it off to everyone who walks by!

I'm an agnostic because I choose not to take wild guesses about things I will never possibly be able to know for sure. So my answer would be "I do not worry myself with such questions" and that's not among the options :P

Since you put it that way, Duke, I won't argue, ...much... although you COULD EVENTUALLY FIND OUT FOR SURE, if you stumbled onto a interdimensional portal, and ended up clear on an alternate universe, and you could have picked "Not Sure", and why did you vote in my earlier "Ghosts, Spirits, and Demons" Poll, and not here?!?! Sounds a bit hypocritical to me!!!! :P

And does it sound like I care too? That would be strange, because I don't.

This is a flawed argument, because both are working off pure speculation.

For example, say I theorise that there are pink elephants on Mars living in those shadowed valleys that have yet to be explored, and some scientists agree with me; even if a Mars lander later finds out there are indeed pink elephants in those valleys my theory is still only a theory, because at the time I formed it it was based on no scientific evidence whatsoever.

The major oversight with all parallel universe theories is that there is as yet no scientific evidence whatsoever of time actually flowing like a river. Until it is known whether time is actually a flow it is far too soon to be theorising about what events could split or influence this flow. For all we know, time could be moving in some manner that currently cannot be imagined; for example, look at the Möbius strip, a one-sided surface which would once have been thought to be scientifically impossible but is now easily understood. Or, more likely, it could be that time is indeed intangible and immutable, in which case parallel universes are effectively impossible.

Science has shown that the universe is far larger than can be viewed with even the strongest telescopes, and current propulsion technology can only allow travel within an insignificant area around our solar system; I think this universe has more than enough room for other human-populated planets without worrying about dimensional divisions. Even if these theoretical planets all had technology on a par with ours it would take many lifetimes before our technology would develop to the point where we could see or travel far enough to know about each other. A few planets have been spotted that might be Earth-like, but right now they are nothing but tiny specks. There could be any number of populated solar systems in the incalculable vastness beyond telescope range, and we would be none the wiser (unless you count supposed alien visits).

I take it you're one of the people who voted "No, I do not"... If so, then ... ah well, we all have differences of opinions... But I still disagree with whomever voted on that, and I DON'T think that was a flawed argument!!!! :P

YOU SHOULD CARE!!!! :P

Have you not learned in your life, that disagreements are what allows free thought and discovery? Without detractors and arguments about the world and it's mysteries... well, we don't learn anything. If everyone agreed "The world is flat!" we'd likely never have had some loon trying to tell people "Dude, the world is round... you won't fall off the edge of the world into Hell!" and we'd probably still be confined to one continent and never have explored our world.

So if Garret, Serkol, and even I want to argue the theory... well more power to us! If we're right, that's fine. If it turns out in twenty or fifty years that there really are parallel dimensions, well you can laugh at us from our nursing homes... assuming we even remember the conversation.

Why? Give a logical and reasonable answer for why Serkol (or anyone) should care.

Honestly, the thread started out... almost... as a reasonable idea to discuss something that is of interest to me and doesn't follow the conventional theories and ideas of how the universe works. But you screwed that up throwing in the "And in at least ONE of those universes, my "Link's daddy is a tree that goes around raping women, because he's a Kokiri pimp!" is right, and Link is a half-breed!" crap. IF you'd stuck to logical and intelligent ideas I'd have had more respect for you and the thread. But you didn't.

First off, Tre, I wasn't criticizing Garrett: I specifically stated that we can all have differences of opinion, and I'm NOT OPPOSED TO THAT!!!! I think you'll find that you've misread me!!!! :P

Second off, I was just trying to give an example to demonstrate my point, not to agitate you, or stir up another heated debate, but that was the only example that I could remember, and it was not intended for long term effects... And I wasn't asking Duke Serkol to care about my theory, but I WAS asking him to care about the question of: "why he bothered to vote in my other Poll, and not this one"...

That just seemed a little hypocritical to me...

Oh, and just for you're information Tre, many other fans believe that Link is part Kokiri, so I'm NOT alone, although that was just intended for education's sake, and NOT for the sake of me bragging!!!!

Anyways, I'll try to stick to topic now... Happy now, Tre?!?! (Although I'll still be focusing at least somewhat on fantasy)...

Ah, it kind of seemed a little bit like you were trying to badger Garret and Serkol into changing their minds and following your ideas. I'm all for free-thinking and debating ideas... which is just how I am.

And while it may seem "hypocritical" for Serkol to have voted in one thread, but not this one... we're all free to vote or not vote however we want. I didn't vote in several threads... because I just don't find myself needing to vote if I'm posting my opinion in the thread. You know? It's extra effort just to vote: "Nope!" and then say it in a reply also.

And yes... I am happier to stick to topic, since that's better for discussions.

So on that note: What are your thoughts on the contents/nature of possible parallel dimensions? Do you think that they'd be conventional matter-universes... or do you think it is more likely that it'd be anti-matter based? I am strongly of the idea that a directly parallel universe to our own would be anti-matter, to give the idea that energy from one dimension/universe shifts from one dimension to the next to keep in line with the conservation of energy laws.

Clearly space would be fluid

http://images.wikia.com/startrek/images/b/...uidic_space.jpg

I've always seen space as "fluid", and "time" as an extension of "space"... they aren't the same thing, but they do go hand-in-hand and need each other to exist. This is why I assume time is fluid as well.

wow i just read all that and i'm pretty sure my head is going to explode. i'm all for trying to figure out the unfathomable, but at this point, we have very little to go on, and even less thats known to be positive.

i'll just let my life go on as it shall, and not wonder or hypothesize about such things, because what good will it do?

there's a lot of things out there which are unexplainable (currently), and i'm ok with that. i guess i'll just (pardon the golf term) play it as it lies.

I'm fine with the not knowing aspect... but I do like to think about things, ponder... maybe even come up with a solution. But I know something as unknown as alternate dimensions just wouldn't be something I can figure out on my own. Heh.

1) That was a joke (the pic is from Star Trek Voyager, if you can't tell)
2) I meant actually liquid. Filled with water or somesuch material ratehr than, ya know, empty.

With all of that out of the way, my thoughts on the natures/contents of possible alternate realities, as I've already stated, consists of 3 major groups: 1) universes with different laws of physics, 2) universes with alternate events, and 3) universes with BOTH ASPECTS in them... (as in FullMetal Alchemist: Amestris has both different laws of Physics, i.e. Alchemy is DEFINENTLY POSSIBLE in a LITERAL in that reality, and an alternate history and different races/characters)...

I also feel, as I've stated before, that there are an infinite amount of these alternate realities, and that anything that can be thought of exists, or pre-exists, it's supposed "creator", hence why I brought my theories concerning Zelda into this discussion...

@Serkol - I ignored the picture, and went with the idea instead. Heh.

@Pic - So basically, your idea is that if it can be thought, it exists... if not in this dimension, than ~somewhere~ in the multiverse. That's a clever thought, but I don't know how accurate that is. Then again, some people actually believe that dreams are all inter-connected to each other through a dreamscape dimension... which would mean that when you sleep, you go to another universe or some such nonsense.

I don't like that idea, because I don't want to be seeing what some people I know dream about. Yeck.

Yes, that's the idea, and maybe it has something to do with the Astral Plane...

I'm glad you think it's clever!!!! ;)

And although it may be just a thoughtform/dream, it would be moving it's way towards physical manifestation... At least, that's the way I see it... I happen to like that idea, and it makes sense to me, although you are welcome to dislike it if you choose to... ;)

EDIT: I'm not alone in the "anything that can be imagind exists, somewhere" hypothesis either: Click Here, and then click on the link that says "View Table of Contents"... At the near-top of the page it will say this:

That's not too far off from what I believe, don't you think so?!?!

It's not ~too~ far off... however, keep in mind that without absolute scientific proof, it's just speculation. Much like everything else we're talking about in here.

Aha! I have you now! You're secretly a writer for DC, aren't you? Aren't you?

ADMIT IT!

That would actually explain a lot...

And it would explain the new "DC vs. Mortal Kombat" game coming out... it's all Pic's fault!

Umm, no... I AM NOT A WRITER FOR DC... Don't jump to conclusions... :head explodes: Or was that a joke... If so, then NOT FUNNY AT ALL!!!! :P

I actually am not a huge Mortal Kombat fan, so you're DEAD WRONG THERE!!!!

You may say that, but I thought it was spot on :rotflmho:

:disapprove: :bomb:

I found it funny, also. So that's two who thought the joke was funny, versus one who didn't. I wonder what this says of your sense of humor, when even I (who is professed to have no sense of humor) got the joke?

But there might be other people besides you two who disagree!!!! :P

EDIT: And I DO HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR: I just found that joke SO IRRITATING!!!! >_<

How amazing... something that irritates ~you~? I'll have to log that in my database for later usage!

I may not be able to sense sarcasm MOST of the time, but if that wasn't sarcasm, then I don't know what is!!!!

Of course SOME THINGS IRRITATE ME, such as Twinrova sacrificing Zelda, the *a-dozen-Zeldas-and-Links-on-the-Child-Timeline* idea, and the whole "Calatia Scenario" ... I CAN'T STAND THEM!!!! :head explodes: :disapprove:

Hey Tuf! I've been meaning to bring this quote from Super Smash Bros Brawl to your attention:

I still assert that at least in some realities, that ALL OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE LINKS ON THE CT ARE THE SAME, and that doesn't really contradict the above quote now does it!!!! I still say that OOT and/or ALTTP Link(s) is the one from BS Zelda, and you CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND!!!! :P :D After all: the mangas are fan-made, and as Tre and Coinilius pointed out, and to which I COMPLETELY AGREE, they can easily be considered existing outside the mainstream reality... heck, how do we know whether OUR "mainstream" reality is really mainstream at all: maybe there are OTHER realities that consider THEIR reality to be mainstream, and not ours, or maybe they don't know ours even exists...

EDIT: Or were you bringing that up for some other reason(s) than I thought you were: if so, then please tell me what they are!!!!

DOUBLE EDIT: And the slight storyline differences in BS Zelda would make it possible for the BS Zelda Link sprites to have their own realities as well!!!!

TRIPLE EDIT: It doesn't contradict it because: If there was only 1 Link on the CT in some realities, than all of the other Links are different, so they obviously come from different realities/places, and although they say that "all of the Links are from diffferent places", OOT AND ALTTP Link(s) BOTH come from Hyrule, so they DON'T all come from different places... unless you go to the reality where the "New Hyrule" theory is true, that states that OOT and ALTTP Hyrule(s) are in different geographical locations, that is...

Just wanted to see you type a lot of stuff to counter words straight from the programmers' mouth and made official by being in a game. Needless to say, it worked! *lol*
:rotflmho:

As for "BS Zelda Link", you do realize there IS no "Link" in the BS games, right? He never makes an appearance in either of the three games, thus there is no "Link" in them. It's just the mascots. Sure, we've since made graphical hacks to allow people to play "Link" in those games, but he's not really in them.

Also: "Official in-game script is official". Meaning no matter what you say, at least in OUR reality, which is the reality that matters to ME (and 99.9% of those in it), there is more than one "Link".

Point, Serkol.

We've tried explaining that to him already, but he's Tuf Pic, so it was futile.

I don't think it contradicted ME, AT ALL!!!! After all, if OOT and ALTTP Link(s) ARE DIFFERENT in certain realities, then that just contradicts THEM AND NOT ME, seeing as they are both from Hyrule, and therefore from the SAME LAND, and that's why it contradicts them... And even I don't really take the SSB series seriously, because: 1) They have no uniuqe storyline, unlike SC2 which, although a fighting game has a unique storyline, and 2) Although the first SSB game only has 1 Zelda character, the sequels have multiple Zelda characters, including both Adult Link, and Child Link, which is a very unlikely scenario, unless they had a unique cloning device, or they were from different realities, and ZELDA PUMMELING LINK, OR VICE VERSA?!?! That just CAN'T BE, unless they are training, of course, which doesn't seem to be the case... And even if they were from different realities, then that wouldn't really contradict that quote either... I think I've dealt with you're supposed "evidence" well enough... :P

EDIT: @Tre: It still is a related concept, unlike Mario being in a Zelda game, and they SHOULD have their place in some realities, and plus, like you and Coinilius said yourselves: the mangas may be alternante realities to the games, and they are also fan-made, so the BS Zelda Link sprites DO have a place in alternate realities, and plus, there are ways in the ORIGINAL BS ZELDA GAMES that make it possible: such as having the one Ganon captures contact the protaganist(s) through telepathy, so there IS A LINK IN BS ZELDA, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED!!!! You can argue against me all you like, I still won't agree there is no Link in BS Zelda!!!! Have the creators of BS Zelda ever EXPLICITLY SAID that there is NO Link in BS Zelda? They might have just run out of room in the game to put Link in, so they figured that the fans might do it, which you guys did, or they might have anticipated that they might do it, therefore, the BS Zelda Link sprites ARE OFFICIAL, or at least they MOST ASSUREDLY have some realities where they exist!!!!

@Duke: You bet it was a futile attempt, trying to convince me that there is no Link in BS Zelda... That's like trying to convince me that Link is in no way shape or form a Kokiri: in other words, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS REALITY!!!!I still think I'm right on both accounts, as well as my other theories/ideas!!!! :D

DOUBLE EDIT: And I still could be right, SO THERE!!!!