Title: Basic Constitution
Description: What should be included
BaronRick - March 9, 2008 05:30 PM (GMT)
How about everyone who wants to be involved start posting some of their general ideas towards what they think should be covered by our Constitution. As the ideas accumulate, we'll evolve to a more definitive format.
Tani - March 9, 2008 06:49 PM (GMT)
Good plan, I'll throw down some ideas. I guess this first post will be kind of informal but with time I guess we'll get a good feel for how to post. So here are some of my ideas, their listed numerically but their still only suggestions. We can still pick, choose, modify, or not accept any one of them on an individual basis. For now, we can refer to this early draft as the Pangolin Plan.
First, we probably should have a definitive thesis of sorts for our constitution that defines our ideas and lay the basic foundation of our government.
Second, we should define the rights, the political freedoms, and any restrictions of all member nations.
Third, we define the legislative body of our government and its rules of order. All member nations will have equal representation in this legislative body.
Fourth, we establish any executive powers and/or regional positions and define their powers. Elections and terms would be set for the executive positions, however, there would be no limit to how many times one could serve nonconsecutive (as we have a limited number of nations).
Fifth, a judicial system will be set up to check the powers of the nations in executive and legislative powers. The judicial system will only be used to solve controversies among the nations and to prevent illegal actions taken by executive or legislative powers.
Sixth, we set basic standards for membership in our regional government. Members should be a part of the region and should be able to easily and efficiently register and be accepted to the union. At first, we will allow all our member nations that are part of the constitutional convention to choose to join or not. From there we will set an application process to join the union. Standards for acceptance can be mandated by the legislative assembly, but should be kept fairly open.
Seventh, the constitution, to be accepted should be held in a convention open to all nations in the region. When a complete constitution is written it can be put up to the convention by its author/s. If it gets a 3/4 majority by all voting nations, then it will be enacted as the constitution and all voting nations will be granted membership within the government. If any dissenting nations choose to not be a part of this government, they can choose to deny their granted citizenship.
All right, there it is. I hope we get some more feedback. I'm open to hear more plans, or if anyone wants to contribute ideas to this plan they can do so. Under this plan we still need to establish rules of order for the legislative body, rules of action for the judicial power, and the positions and powers of the executive positions.
Shangri La-La-La - March 10, 2008 03:38 AM (GMT)
Hey everyone, I've got the first piece of legislation up for review. By the way, I'm Tani, if you didn't know, I posted the Pangolin Plan before I registered. I represent the Nomadic Peoples of Shangri La-La-La in the region. Anyways here's the first article with some definitions.
member state: nation that is a part of the regional government
congress: a future page we should have where we undergo legislative process
voting nations: nations who actually vote in a legislative decision
signed into law: bill is enacted in all member nations (we should have a page for laws)
Section 1: The Legislative Body
The legislative body shall be composed of every member nation with equal representation for every member nation. Each member nation shall have one vote in the legislative process.
The purpose of the legislative body is to pass laws, if they see fit, that will take into effect in every member nation. The legislative body can also make decisions regarding to recent events or courses of action.
Section 2: The Legislative Process
To pass a proposed law, the law must be submitted as a bill to the legislative body. The bill must have at least one sponsor to be considered by the legislative body. The authors and sponsors of a bill must be member nations.
When a bill is eligible for legislative review, it can be submitted to the congress where the legislative body will vote to enact it as a law. A bill can become a law if a majority of member nations agree to it.
An amendment to the bill can be proposed during legislative review. For the amendment to be added, a majority of voting nations must approve it. To determine whether an amendment will be added, a reasonable time frame will be set up in which nations can vote either 'for' or 'against' an amendment. When the time frame comes to a close, the amendment only needs a majority of nations that voted to pass. Once an amendment is added to a bill. All voting on that bill must restart.
Bills will be given a set time frame on proposal to be signed into law. If at the time that the time frame ends, the bill has a majority of member nations in favor of it, it will be signed into law.
Section 3: Amending the Constitution
If an amendment is proposed to the constitution, a vote of 3/4 majority of member nations is needed to pass the amendment. Amendments to the constitution become effective and relevant as soon as the 3/4 majority is met.
Section 4: Emergency Powers
In the event of an emergency, the legislative body can be called into action. The legislative body will vote on what course of action to take and it must have a majority of voting nations to take that course of action. There must be a reasonable time frame set so that a reasonable number of member nations can make an educated decision to vote on action.
All right, that's it for now. I think that one of the regional positions should be Congressional Chair who will organize the congress and call for votes. We'll work that our later. Let's get more suggestions. What should some regional positions be?
Shangri La-La-La - March 11, 2008 12:33 AM (GMT)
All right everyone, I don't want to do this but you leave me no choice...
Just kidding; but I am sad to see that no one has posted any new ideas or at least responded to my ideas. So... I'd like you to meet a little friend of mine... ARTICLE 2!
Chief Justice: regional position that will be held by one member nation. It is their duty to keep the court running smoothly and to organize cases to be held.
Lower court: a future page we should have where appeals can be made
High Court: a future page we should have for judicial commissions
section 1: The Judicial Body
The judicial body shall be established with the purpose of ensuring that member nations abide by, and are granted their rights, defined by the constitution to the fullest degree.
The judicial body shall be composed of one representative appointed by every member nation. The judicial body shall convene if it receives an appeal. Appeals can be made by any member nation and will be put before the court if it receives approvals from the justices of at least three nations.
section 2: The Judicial Process
The judicial body shall meet whenever there is an eligible appeal made with the approval of three justices. Appeals will be processed in the lower court and approved by the justices there.
Appeals can be made if there has been a breaching or controversy with the law. Also, appeals can be made for resolving international incidents requiring court action.
Upon the approval in the lower courts, an appeal will be sent to the High Court. The judicial body will make a ruling on the case in favor of one side or the other. The decision shall be made by a majority of votes in the High Court. Nonvoting justices shall not be considered for one side or another and all justices shall be given reasonable time to make their decision. On the case of a tie, the appeal will be resubmitted through the lower courts. Upon a decision, the judicial body will then provide a written explanation on their decision. Their decision shall stand as law, or rather the interpretation of law; their decision cannot actually change the policy wording.
section 3: Judicial Review
The judicial body's decision shall stand as common interpretation of the law and set a precedent for how the law shall be upheld.
If a previous decision wishes to be reconsidered, at least half of the total justices must approve of the reconsideration. If a reconsideration receives an appropriate number of votes, the case shall be reopened to the High Court with general debate about the reconsideration.
All right everyone, soak it in. I hope you enjoyed. It looks like we're going to have a decent constitution soon. I just wish we had more feedback. So far, for regional positions we have Chief Justice and Speaker of the Congress. We need some more so let me know. If you don't, then by jove I will make Secretary of Spinach a position!
Shangri La-La-La - March 12, 2008 04:16 AM (GMT)
All right, here I go again. Drafting a constitution all by myself...
Section 1: The Regional Positions
The regional positions will be held by member nations. They will preform their duty as executive agents under their appropriate jurisdiction. They will be held accountable to the court and congress. Elections for the regional positions shall be held every week and the term of the elected officer shall last the entire week. Member nations may not serve more than two consecutive terms as a specific regional position, however, can continue serving up to two consecutive terms after another member nation has filled the specific position.
Section 2: Checks on Executives
Either the court or the congress can convene and remove a member nation from their position if they have due cause and receive at least a 3/4 vote in favor of the replacement. A new election will be held to fill the vacant position.
Section 3: The Regional Positions
The Congressional Chair: The congressional chair shall be the head of the congress, but shall retain equal congressional powers. The duty of the congressional chair is to organize congress, ensure eligible bills are brought before congress, and call for votes on legislation. The congressional chair shall also convene congress when necessary. The congressional chair should work to make congress as efficient and meaningful.
The Chief Justice: The chief justice shall keep the courts running smooth and efficient. It is the duty of the chief justice to ensure that all eligible appeals are brought before the high court. The chief justice shall call for votes on an appeal and shall ensure a statement on the decision is released.
The Regional Representative: The Regional Representative shall act as the representative of the region to other regions and nations. It is their general duty to organize and collaborate regional events, notifications, and management. From time to time, the Regional Representative shall give a state of the region address to the congress and to the member nations as a whole.
Secretary of Spinach: It is the Secretary of Spinach's job to try and ensure that all member nations are having a good time. The Secretary of Spinach shall collaborate peaceful comprise if necessary. The Secretary of Spinach is also encouraged prompt discussion. The Secretary of Spinach shall try to ease national tensions and maintain the feeling of unity throughout the region.
All right, there's three articles. We just need a thesis (which we should make at the constitutional convention), a bill of rights (which will also be drafted at the constitutional convention), and a standard of citizenship in the regional government. We should also have a name for the regional government as opposed to the region name so that they can be distinguish. The Unity of The Unity of Archipelagoes is kinda weird. The Republic of Spinach is too biased to my political viewpoints and would loose us potential members. Anyway, please respond to this discussion, anyone who cares. We need collaboration to form a government that we all see suitable.
Shangri La-La-La - March 13, 2008 03:06 AM (GMT)
What does everyone think for the thesis and the bill of rights?
So todays legislation is basic definition of citizenry.
Section 1: Member Nations
Member Nations shall have all the prior rights granted by the constitution. They will have equal representation in congress; they will each appoint a justice; they will each have equal say and ability to run in regional position elections. Member Nations shall abide by the international decisions made by the regional government.
The signers of this constitution shall be member nations. Additional member nations may be added with the consent of 3/4 of the current member nations. Additional member nations will be guaranteed all of the same rights as other member nations.
Section 2: Member Nationals
Member Nationals shall may take part in regional political discussions in the congress, court, and regional position elections; however, they may not vote in congress, judicial decisions, or regional elections. Member Nationals do not have to abide by international decisions that they feel threaten their national sovereignty.
Member Nationals may submit bills to congress provided the bill has a second. They also may make appeals to the judicial body.
Nations may become Member Nationals with a majority of Member Nations approval. The primary reason a nation would become a Member National instead of a Member Nation is to protect their national sovereignty if they feel it is threatened by being a member nation. Also, nations can become Member Nationals if they do not want the responsibilities of member nations or if they cannot get the support to be a member nations. Also, nations that do not reside in the region can apply for Member National.
OK, I would like some feedback soon. I'm thinking of launching the first constitutional convention soon. I hope you've all enjoyed the legislation show. Later.
Tercotta - March 18, 2008 08:46 PM (GMT)
add a clause stating all region citizens are equal
should we have a harmonized currency or citizenship
Tercotta - March 18, 2008 09:55 PM (GMT)
my personal expertise is in how governement works... I'll draft a proposal for the legislative body.