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Iareaj_al_hamaim
Posted: Aug 21 2005, 11:12 PM


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this question was made to JKR, and here's her answer, too.




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ES: Was Dumbledore planning to die ?
JKR: [Pause.] Do you think that's going to be the big theory?
MA & ES: Yes. It’ll be a big theory.
JKR: [Pause.] Well, I don't want to shoot that one down.  [A little laughter.] I have to give people hope.


mmm... it seems as she doesn't want to shoot down our last hope, but again, maybe she only doesn't want to kill our hopes, and that's all!!!

ok, this is how it ends:


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MA: It goes back to the question of whether Snape is a double-double-double-triple-
JKR: [Laughs] Double-double-quadruple-to-the-power-of - yeah.
MA: … whether this had been planned , and since Dumbledore had this knowledge of Draco the whole year, had they had a discussion that said, "Should this happen, you have to act as if it is entirely your intention to just walk forward and kill me, because if you don't, Draco will die, the Unbreakable Vow, you'll die," and so on —
JKR: No, I see that, and yeah, I follow your line there. I can't — I mean, obviously, there are lines of speculation I don't want to shut down.  Generally speaking, I shut down those lines of speculation that are plain unprofitable.


well, she sadi she "shut down those lines of speculation that are plain unprofitable".
so, maybe this last hope is not unprofitable...
keep your hopes, snape-believers!!!
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Jeni Ann
Posted: Aug 22 2005, 12:17 AM


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The only way I think Snape could be good is if Dumbledore faked his own death to help Snape (if Snape was good he wouln't have killed Dumbledore , no matter what)
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Shadow Angel
Posted: Aug 22 2005, 11:54 AM


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Hmm the only thing I can think of with the whole "Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him thing" is....it was totally pointless :blink: Now the whole order hates Snape, so in effect he's with Voldemort only now. :unsure: Ack... the confusion.

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Shadow Angel
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 10:17 AM


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Congrats on your (re?)conversion to Snape fan Iareaj :lol:

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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 10:24 AM


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QUOTE (Shadow Angel @ Aug 22 2005, 12:54 PM)
Hmm the only thing I can think of with the whole "Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him thing" is....it was totally pointless :blink: Now the whole order hates Snape, so in effect he's with Voldemort only now. :unsure: Ack... the confusion.

it wasnt pointless, Snape prevented Draco from becoming a murderer and now Snape will be totally trusted by Voldemort and the Death Eaters, he'll be able to get more info and help destroy him
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 12:37 PM


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but who the heck is he going to pass on the information to? not one of the order is going to beleive him now...and harry is the only one capable of destroying voldemort and harry will not, come what may, trust snape...i do agree that it is pretty pointless...but i, by all means do trust snape...but let us see...until Harry Potter and the......

PS: my dad just finished HBP and feels that the book is not upto Jo's usual standards...he is one of those persons who just likes action, i suppose...i don't know...i personally loved this book and thought that it was the best.
actually, nothing is going right today ( i know that you'll understand btv) and this was the ultimate blow from my father...hmph...forget it...

oops, the PS is longer than the actual post...beg your pardon.
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 03:53 PM


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QUOTE (Srivathsan @ Aug 27 2005, 01:37 PM)

actually, nothing is going right today ( i know that you'll understand btv)

oh no. tell me later

sorry but I just have to defend Snape.
we dont know whether anyone in the Order knew of DDs plan (if indeed there was a plan) I'm hoping that they knew about it, still trust snape and will convince Harry in time.
and I know only Harry can destory Volide, but Snape may be able to get info about the remaining horuxes (however you spell it) to help destory him.
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 06:10 PM


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I dont think the Order knew about it, they all seemed pretty shocked at Snapes actions...

The other day my brother and i were talking and he said: Do you think the only way to kill Snape is by killing Draco? Because of the Unbreakable Vow and all?


Its seems right doesnt it... because if something happenes to Draco, Snape dies because he swore hed protect him... unless the Vow was only "valid" for Dracos sixth year at Hogwarts...
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 06:55 PM


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I dont think the Order knew about it, they all seemed pretty shocked at Snapes actions...


maybe it was a cover....I'm really desperate now arent I??


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The other day my brother and i were talking and he said: Do you think the only way to kill Snape is by killing Draco? Because of the Unbreakable Vow and all?

Its seems right doesnt it... because if something happenes to Draco, Snape dies because he swore hed protect him... unless the Vow was only "valid" for Dracos sixth year at Hogwarts...



sounds like a good theory, I hadnt thought about it.
just hope no one kills Draco then!!
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Posted: Aug 27 2005, 08:52 PM


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Narcissa spoke.
"Will you, Severus, watch over my son Draco as he attempts to fulfil the Dark Lord's wishes?"
"I will," said Snape[...]
"And will you, to the best of your ability, protect him from harm?"
"I will," said Snape[...]
"And, should it prove necessary...if it seems Draco will fail..." whispered Narcissa (Snape's hand twitched within hers, but he did not draw away), "will you carry out the deed that the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform?"
There was a moment's silence. Bellatrix watched, her wand upon their clasped hands, her eyes wide.
"I will," said Snape.

-HP:HBP UK, 1st Edition


I don't think the Vow counts forever, Narcissa made it specific to only whilst Draco is carrying out Voldemort's wishes...meaning if Voldemort sets him another task, Snape may or may not be bound by the Vow to assist him. Also, it was Snape who offered the Vow to be performed -either showing that he was already under the "orders" of Dumbledore for his death, that he didn't expect to have to perform the task himself (the hand twitching) OR he's just the ebil little... person we suspected..

Edit: the [...] stands for parts of unnecessary writing that I haven't included.

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Posted: Aug 29 2005, 07:39 PM


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mmm...
well, i think that vow stop working when snape killed dumbledore. he had to protect draco "as he attempts to fulfill the dark lord's wishes". at least, that's what i think. i hope it is like that. i almost die when harry almost killed draco, with that sectumsempra... lucky draco, that snape was near...
and i know that all that order may hate him, but i think he'll go alone to help harry, and let's not forget that wormtail still owes harry his life...
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Shadow Angel
Posted: Aug 30 2005, 09:21 AM


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Hmm that's true -we didn't see much of Pettigrew (was there any?) in HBP. But the vow could mean as long as Draco's under orders from Voldemort, Snape has to help, because they didn't specify one single "order" he had to assist Draco with...
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Posted: Aug 30 2005, 02:35 PM


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Yes, Pettigrew appears in "Spinners End"... He is staying in Snape's house <_<
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Shadow Angel
Posted: Aug 30 2005, 09:17 PM


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Ah well then Meli, after what you said in the other thread -if you're gonna kill Snape, make sure to get Pettigrew too.
Other than that, I really don't see how Snape'll survive this war -The Order are baying for his blood, more or less, and Harry's tut, tut, not in this place!!! bent on getting Snape after Dumbledore & Sirius' death (which Snape inadvertedly caused, although he alerted the Order when Harry had that vision... :unsure:). I've heard views that Snape is shown to be so bad that he must be good...how that works is beyond me but it makes a degree of sense.
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Posted: Aug 31 2005, 08:46 AM


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QUOTE (Shadow Angel @ Aug 30 2005, 10:17 PM)

Other than that, I really don't see how Snape'll survive this war

dont say that!! we dont want to tempt fate!

he'lll survive, and he'll prove he's good at the end


btw, was anyone else disappointed with snapes house? it sounded nasty! :unsure:
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Posted: Aug 31 2005, 09:05 AM


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:lol: Maybe the Hogwarts wages aren't that great...doesn't someone say that in HBP? But for a wizard, you'd think he could clean it up and make it nicer :(
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Well he is the head of Slytherin and a deatheater.... you can't expect his house to be full of pink ribbons :P

Having a nasty house doesn't make you evil though ;)
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Posted: Aug 31 2005, 10:29 AM


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QUOTE (LaLa @ Aug 31 2005, 11:05 AM)
Well he is the head of Slytherin and a deatheater.... you can't expect his house to be full of pink ribbons :P


lol! no I dont expect pink cushions and bows, but he could at least clean it!
Like shadow said he's a wizard, he'd only need to say one spell. Lazy boy

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Having a nasty house doesn't make you evil though ;)


very true! :lol:


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Maybe the Hogwarts wages aren't that great...doesn't someone say that in HBP?


I cant remember, I real need to read it again. I've only read it once, I did try and start it again, but I just couldnt get into it
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Posted: Sep 1 2005, 01:57 AM


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QUOTE (beyond the veil @ Aug 31 2005, 03:46 AM)

btw, was anyone else disappointed with snapes house? it sounded nasty! :unsure:

Well, it suits him! Dark, moody and unclean!
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Posted: Sep 1 2005, 03:49 PM


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QUOTE (MELIMUSH @ Sep 1 2005, 02:57 AM)
Well, it suits him! Dark, moody and unclean!

:lol: lol Meli.

QUOTE (beyond the veil @ Aug 31 2005, 11:29 AM)
I cant remember, I real need to read it again. I've only read it once, I did try and start it again, but I just couldnt get into it.


I know what you mean. I just grab the book, open a random page, read a few pages then start somewhere else.

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Posted: Sep 1 2005, 07:22 PM


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where does it say that is unclean?
and that's not snape's fault!!! wormtail is there to assist him, that means: clean his house and cook!
i loved that, wormtail the house elf!!! he deserves it, he enjoyed bulling snape in hogwarts, now he's 'snivellus' servant, hahaha!


by the way, i loved snape's house. didn't you noticed that its walls are covered in shelves with books? oh, what a paradise! he loves books, he has loads of books, as me!




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Posted: Sep 2 2005, 10:22 AM


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QUOTE (Iareaj_al_hamaim @ Sep 1 2005, 08:22 PM)
where does it say that is unclean?
and that's not snape's fault!!! wormtail is there to assist him, that means: clean his house and cook!
i loved that, wormtail the house elf!!! he deserves it, he enjoyed bulling snape in hogwarts, now he's 'snivellus' servant, hahaha!


:lol: shes back!! Snapes faithful supporter!!
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Posted: Sep 2 2005, 01:54 PM


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Yeah... she is back <_<

Iareaj, dont let her *points at btv* deceive you! He is EVIL!


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Posted: Sep 2 2005, 04:16 PM


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QUOTE (MELIMUSH @ Sep 2 2005, 02:54 PM)
Iareaj, dont let her *points at btv* deceive you! He is EVIL!


:lol: hey! she made her own mind up, I didnt force her or anything (or did I?? hehehehe)
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Posted: Sep 5 2005, 12:23 AM


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I don't know my dark lady...
hahaha.
I am happy being a snapie-pooh believer!
and today i was re-reading hbp (i have it again with me!!) and it only said that his house has an air of "neglect" as it wasn't usually habitated, and that's right, because during most of the year snape lives in hogwarts.
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Posted: Sep 5 2005, 08:18 AM


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QUOTE (Iareaj_al_hamaim @ Sep 5 2005, 01:23 AM)
I don't know my dark lady...

:lol:

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and it only said that his house has an air of "neglect" as it wasn't usually habitated, and that's right, because during most of the year snape lives in hogwarts.


thats true!!
its not his fault, wormtail should be working harder <_<

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Posted: Sep 5 2005, 06:21 PM


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what can you espect from a gryffindor?
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Posted: Sep 23 2005, 01:37 AM


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Snape don´t have any chance to repair what he has done, it is unforgivable, he killed Dumbledore, without doubting one second. He also use the Avada Kedavra spell, that is was a very nasty dead.
I only want to emphazise that Snape is evil, i knew since the 1st book but this one says everithing we may have a doubt.. it was him who told where Lily and James potter were hidden to the dark lord.
He deserves punishment or dead.
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Posted: Sep 26 2005, 01:11 PM


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QUOTE (alewa @ Sep 23 2005, 02:37 AM)

I only want to emphazise that Snape is evil, i knew since the 1st book but this one says everithing we may have a doubt.. it was him who told where Lily and James potter were hidden to the dark lord.

what now? wasnt that wormtail?? :huh:
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Posted: Sep 26 2005, 08:00 PM


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Maybe they mean the Prophecy? Wasn't it Snape who told Voldie about the Prophecy?
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