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 Blu Ray upgrade or not, Blu Ray edition an improvement or not
Rusty06
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 04:36 PM


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Blu Ray is the new an improved format but the releases are not always an upgrade of the DVD release sometimes they are even less attractive due to too much tweaking (One does only have too look at what has been done to the French Connection.) or less extra's etc. So I thought this would make a good topic. Those that have bought the disc can show of or complain depending on how good the release is and others can enquire about the editions on sale.

I for one would like to know if "assault on precinct 13" (the original) is worth the upgrade!
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Lars Jacobsson
Posted: Sep 28 2009, 10:24 PM


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How is the new UK SALO release? I already bought it so I guess i'll find out anyway soon, but anyway, has anybody seen it?


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Rusty06
Posted: Oct 1 2009, 02:06 PM


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QUOTE (Lars Jacobsson @ Sep 28 2009, 10:24 PM)
How is the new UK SALO release? I already bought it so I guess i'll find out anyway soon, but anyway, has anybody seen it?

The only question is, is it fully uncut?????
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Kenneth M
Posted: Oct 31 2009, 05:21 AM


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Rusty - Highdefdigest reviewed "Assult..." and here is what they said:

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Image Entertainment previously released 'Assault on Precinct 13' on DVD in a nicely-remastered transfer. This first-ever-high-def version looks even better, with a surprisingly sharp and attractive image for a film now nearing its 35th anniversary.

This 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 encode (2.35:1) enjoys a very nice source. The print is quite clean, with only a smidgen of dirt here or there to distract. Grain is present, but it's very film-like and in keeping with the movie's vintage. Colors are fairly vibrant and almost betray the '70s origins, with nice reds, blues and oranges. Fleshtones are also good. Detail is perhaps not on par with a new release, but I was pleasantly surprised with the transfer's sharpness and depth. Shadow delineation is about the only area truly lacking by comparison, with some fall-off into black (due in large part to the film's low-budget limitations). For a decades-old catalog release, I was impressed with 'Assault on Precinct 13.'

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Lars - Have you had a chance to watch it? I've read views from both sides of the fence.

This is what one reviewer from Amazon.co.uk had to say:

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The HD transfer BFI delivers here is horrible. It's a mess. Agressive digital filtering and sharpening has destroyed the film texture and left behind artifact ridden picture with sharpening halos galore and a doughy/pasty look. The opposite of film like. Highly processed ugly video look with severly degraded image quality. To call it high definition is misleading.


While a review on Blu-Ray.com had this to say about it:

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This being said, BFI’s Blu-ray release of Salo looks spectacular. The freshly-remastered image brings a great deal of detail that undeniably overshadows every other SDVD release I have seen before. From the close-ups studying the faces of the storytellers, to the opening scenes at the villa, to the horrific finale, this new print looks very, very strong. Furthermore, there is a sizable discrepancy between the color-scheme seen on the recently released Criterion SDVD and this new high-def presentation. Greens, yellows, and blues, reveal a notably different complexion which affects the overall composure of the film significantly. Contrast is also undoubtedly superior here – a great example would be the “wedding scene” where the Blu-ray release looks absolutely stunning. There isn’t any contrast boosting or subtle external manipulations that I could detect either. Finally, the Blu-ray disc does not reveal DNR manipulation of any sort, just a pure, unfiltered image replicating as best as possible Pasolini's vision. As a result the print has retained the original grainy structure present on the film negative. Needless to say, this is a terrifically looking, natural, and surprisingly fresh presentation that I must rightfully conclude is the best looking release Salo has ever been granted. Finally, I must dully note that BFI’s print also appears to have eliminated an overwhelming amount of debris, specs, and scratches that were evident on previous releases. To sum it all up, this is the definitive version of Salo currently available in any format. Plain and simple.


I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts when you watch it.


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Rusty - Well there are rumors that the first cut was around 145 minutes. Then there were other rumors that it still plays in Italy by the "Cineteca Nazionale" using more footage than what we have in either of the BFI or Criterion releases. Lastly, there was a report in a Swedish newspaper back in '05 about "Pasolin's death with some tantilising info regarding two stolen SALO reels(!) - used to to lure Pasolini to the fateful meeting place where here was murdered.

The footage in the reels (which are still missing) apparently contains more gruesome torture scenes, several of which were photographed by photographer Fabian Cevallos, and can be seen for the first time in an exhibition currently taking place in Rome." (source) So, who knows when, or if, we will ever see a true "uncut" release of this movie. sad.gif
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Sweeney Todd
Posted: Oct 31 2009, 10:40 PM


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The version of SALO seen on French TV is the same that we saw in theaters at the original release - but I'm unable to say if a longer print exists (or existed) in Italy. In any case nobody cut the movie for the French release, and our TV can play this kind of movies, after all, even the uncut version of Tinto Brass CALIGULA was broadcast, or Ken Russell's THE DEVILS, or Kubrick's A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, or Bertolucci's 1900 ....

I'm rather skeptical about Blu-Ray. Recently a reviewer commented that the recent release of Hitchcock's NORTH BY NORTHWEST was vastly inferior to the previous one (on DVD). The image are brownish and he added ironically that Cary Grant's makeup looked like Nutella... I'm also persuaded - but I can be wrong - that the current image ration (1.85) is erroneous. A friend of mine has a VHS recording made years ago, and it's almost full-screen - but in spite of that, nothing is lacking on the sides (and the image is not deformed), so...

Another reason to be skeptical about the Blu-Ray's future is that we can now find many of these discs "offered" for only 5 to 10 euros in many shops.
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Rusty06
Posted: Nov 20 2009, 07:59 AM


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It's true that the quality of Blu Ray releases vary, hence this topic. But as the quality of televisions, beamers etc increase so should the source material and for now Blu Ray is the way to go. To a lesser extent DVD had the same problem at the start.

Thanks Kenneth M for the info on assault on precinct 13. As for Salo as long as it's the longest print availeble it's good enough for me. It's just that I'm sceptical about UK releases as they are still often cut! And I doubt that Passolini's murder was a conspiracy but I rather believe he was killed by a male prostitute not unlike David Carredine. In the latter case I prefer the theory about kung fu masters being the culprets but how likely is that.

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