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 Who Wrote "cylon" On Boomer-g's Mirror?
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Posted: Wed 13 Apr 05, 17:41


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I'm really curious about this. Who besides Chief Tyrol could possibly have had a clue? Its doubtful that Baltar would find time in his busy schedule to do graffiti.


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Posted: Wed 13 Apr 05, 17:54


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I'm sure it's her when she is in Cylon mode. It's that or just one of the crew that heard thier talk in 33 when someone commented how tired everyone was except her. Someone said it's because she's a Cylon. cylonA.gif


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Posted: Wed 13 Apr 05, 18:05


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That thought had occurred to me too. Sharon trying to warn herself maybe?


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Posted: Wed 13 Apr 05, 18:24


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In that scene, Sharon is waking up in a daze, which we haven't seen since the beginning of episode 2, when she woke up dripping wet with an explosive in her bag. In both cases it appears to me that someone is trying very hard to get Sharon to believe that she is a Cylon. Is this "someone" Sharon herself (in Cylon mode)? Or another Sharon altogether? Or Crashdown?


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I still think it was Sharon writing on her own mirror. She of the dual personalities, the one we see, and the one that sabotages everything.


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Posted: Wed 13 Apr 05, 18:29


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It could also be Boxey as he knows her every move for the most part as he is with her alot. Maybe he knows she is a Cylon. In the last few episodes he isn't around her. Just a thought.


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QUOTE (CylonGod @ Wed 13 April 2005 18:29)
It could also be Boxey as he knows her every move for the most part as he is with her alot. Maybe he knows she is a Cylon. In the last few episodes he isn't around her. Just a thought.

There you go talking about Boxey again! He's not in the show! biggrin.gif bangin.gif (just kidding).

I don't think it's Boxy because he really didn't have enough of a part in the series IMO. I think it's probably the Cylon Sharon. The Chief wouldn't have done that (don't forget... he was in love with her, and that's not something one would do). I also doubt it was one of the others that overheard them.

Nope, I'd say it was Sharon herself who wrote that on the mirror. Why? The Cylon half of Sharon was probably quite comfortable with being a cylon. She's probably just trying to convince the human-sharon that this is the reality... it wasn't a threat - it was a fact.


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Posted: Wed 13 Apr 05, 23:26


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How about Cally or Socinus? Both are very loyal to Chief Tyrol and aware of the outline of events surrounding Boomer-G. Either one could put two and two together to come up with four. They might begin a campaign of harrassment to protect Tyrol.


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Posted: Wed 13 Apr 05, 23:32


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QUOTE (mrushGDI @ Wed 13 April 2005 18:26)
I still think it was Sharon writing on her own mirror. She of the dual personalities, the one we see, and the one that sabotages everything.

Yup, I think she wrote it and has no memory of doing it.

This could also mean that she left the note for Adama in the mini as well. It was never brought up again and now we have two mysterious notes...but from who? headscratch.gif



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I wonder if Leoban (sp?) could've done it? Now I'm wondering who it is!?
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And who wrote and put the message "There are only 12 cylon models" in the Adama's room ?

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The same person maybe cylonA.gif

Very strange. Perhaps someone we never seen for the moment.
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Posted: Thu 14 Apr 05, 8:59


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QUOTE (MHall @ Wed 13 April 2005 18:24)
In that scene, Sharon is waking up in a daze, which we haven't seen since the beginning of episode 2, when she woke up dripping wet with an explosive in her bag. In both cases it appears to me that someone is trying very hard to get Sharon to believe that she is a Cylon. Is this "someone" Sharon herself (in Cylon mode)? Or another Sharon altogether? Or Crashdown?

Now due to the DVD deleted scene "Boxey target practice" (between episode 11 and 12, I think), I believe Sharon wrote the message in Cylon mode. The Cylon mode Sharon can control her body's physical actions (if not her mind) well enough to draw and shoot a gun (this deleted scene), take a shower in her clothes and put an explosive in her bag (episode 2), and write "CYLON" in her locker. Cylon mode Sharon may not be able to speak well enough to fool humans, thus the need for the human Sharon mind. But it would be a lot better if the human Sharon mind believed she was a Cylon and would start helping the Cylons directly. Thus, there is a campaign of Cylon mode Sharon to convince the human mind Sharon of the truth.


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QUOTE (c_nul @ Thu 14 April 2005 5:57)
And who wrote and put the message "There are only 12 cylon models" in the Adama's room ?

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The same person maybe cylonA.gif

Very strange. Perhaps someone we never seen for the moment.

I'm glad someone else remembered the note. I tend to doubt Sharon left it. Could Balter have had misgivings?......I doubt it


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QUOTE (sector-001 @ Fri 15 April 2005 0:02)
I'm glad someone else remembered the note. I tend to doubt Sharon left it. Could Balter have had misgivings?......I doubt it

Well we only have three suspects and one unknown.

Doral: But why? No he has no compelling reason to leave it.

Boomer: Could be, she would know, but I do not think she was activated yet, as she did not begin to act strange until Water.

Baltar: I do think that he was feeling guilty for most of season one, and he could have done it as something to sooth his guilty conscience.

A person yet to be revealed: Maybe?


However, could there be another explanation one we have not heard yet. The note was not left there by some unknown person, but from someone that Adama knew. The Colonials must have an intelligence agency, perhaps the Colonials had been covertly gathering intelligence on the Cylons and while they were not aware of the attack they were aware of the Human/Cylon. This could have been one of the last messages to get out from the Colonial Intelligence Service.

Farfetched, sure I will be the first to admit, but who knows and I sure hope that Moore ties up this messy loose end.


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QUOTE (mjm800 @ Fri 15 April 2005 0:18)
Farfetched, sure I will be the first to admit, but who knows and I sure hope that Moore ties up this messy loose end.

Option 4 - it was included by the writers to tell the audience that there are 12 models and it was left by no one. There's a litterary term for that but I can't remember it.

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I think that someone may have just been messing with Boomer. A random person writing cylon on her mirror just for the hell of it. Military types do that crap all the time.
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QUOTE (Mordraken @ Fri 15 April 2005 1:25)
QUOTE (mjm800 @ Fri 15 April 2005 0:18)
Farfetched, sure I will be the first to admit, but who knows and I sure hope that Moore ties up this messy loose end.

Option 4 - it was included by the writers to tell the audience that there are 12 models and it was left by no one. There's a litterary term for that but I can't remember it.

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Dramatis machinae, I think it's called. Basically "plot device".

Another intriguing possibility about the note: what if it is from another Colonial warship who's existance is known only to W Adama and is being kept secret to prevent the cylons from knowing? Since Adama suspects there are Cylons aboard Galactica, such extreme secrecy would be warranted. The note could be evidence that a remaining part of the fleet is exchanging information with Galactica.

Presumably, after the sneak attack, the normal means of military communication was trashed. Consider the possibility that out of the 100's, perhaps 1000's, of ships out there one of them got the clever idea to know they were outmatched and ftl'ed as far away as they could before they were destroyed (the Galactica did get word of the strange malfunctions while the fight was still hot - it doesn't take a super-genious to make the correlation between engaging cylon raiders and getting your power shut off ;) ).

Not to mention, of the billions of people living on the various colonies, perhaps some part of the military ground forces or smaller installations survived (if I recall correctly during the mini-series, only 4 or 5 colonies were reported as being nuked).

I mean, if you were trying to defend 12 planets, would you consolidate all of your defense systems into a single mainframe? Especially when bringing down that mainframe would render your entire defense capability inert? Perhaps the mainframe was for the largest colonies, and the smaller outlying ones were run under different systems. Maybe the Cylons just picked the biggest colonies to nuke, and have other plans for the smaller ones.

It might also explain another oddity. Adama's behavior, secret transmissions and occasional forays in a Raptor (which, oddly enough, has FTL capability) are perhaps explained by clandestine meetings with a surviving element of the Colonial Fleet (perhaps the Pegasus?).

Another odd thing...given the prescient nature of some of the bio-cylons, why wouldn't they lay a huge trap for Galactica and finish the job right there?

With the coordination between on-board bio-cylons and the Cylon fleet, it would seem reasonable that the cylons could lock in and blast the convoy into oblivion. For some reason, they want the Galactica to run. Perhaps the Cylons wish to find Earth and that is their ultimate objective.

So, to wrap it all up - the Galactica and associated fleet is driven off in an attempt to locate Earth so that, by proxy, the cylons find it as well. The human race isn't, in fact, in danger of extinction on the remaining colonies, and is being saved for further use by the Cylons (perhaps as breeding stock for more humanistic bio-cylons). Adama discovers the existance of the remaining humans and military resources left behind.

Knowing the President, and thinking she would force a return to the colonial system to continue rescue operations (she was very adamant about that, if you recall), Adama chooses to keep that information secret.

However, knowing full well that to return would mean subjigation, he pushes the fleet onward in the hopes of securing at least some modicum of freedom (much like the Village - lie to your people to preserve the way of life).

Perhaps he doesn't suspect the cylon's ultimate desire to find Earth themselves, and in doing so, he fulfills their agenda inadvertantly ("Adama is a cylon").

Or, maybe it's something completely different smile.gif

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Posted: Sun 22 May 05, 1:15


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That part where Sharon opened her locker and saw CYLON scrawled in her mirror. Was that her freakin’ out and seeing things? While framing Baltar, did #6, aka Shelly Godfrey, do it just to frakk with Sharon? Or, am I just missing something?


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Posted: Sun 22 May 05, 10:59


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The answer to this question depends on the ultimate answer to the Galactica universe: What is a humanocylon?

If Sharon has a Cylon mind as well as a human mind, the Cylon mind may have been trying to convince the human mind of the truth. In that case, Sharon wrote "CYLON" while in Cylon mode.

However, I believe Sharon has a human mind, period. (Or more precisely, I believe she has a Colonial mind.) I believe she has been brainwashed to do simple activities like draw a gun and fire it given a triggering stimulus. It would have been silly to spend the effort to brainwash her to write "CYLON" on her mirror, though. Therefore, the "CYLON" on the mirror must have been written by someone trying to convince Sharon of the "truth" that she is a Cylon - or by someone just pulling a prank on her. Either way, Crashdown is my prime suspect.


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Maybe Boxy did it? laugh.gif

Now, as for a more serious answer....Well, as MHall stated, she either did it herself in "Cylon" mode, or someone else did it. If someone else did it, I'd have to say given the location my first suspect would be one of the other pilots or one of the ECO's, because they'd be the only other people who could walk around in there without anyone wondering why they were there....

This post has been edited by ViperChickKaliyla on Sun 22 May 05, 18:19


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