Title: Act of Contrition question
Description: Zak and Kara
Crewman Specialist Cally - May 2, 2006 05:56 PM (GMT)
I was watching my season one DVD and I had a question. Kara and Zak were to be married yet Kara was his trainer. It seem to me tha the miliary would have either made Zak another teacher student or transfer kara. Was this something that the Colonial military would have put a stop too or they didn't know about? Cause in the flashback Adama knows about Kara.
Crewman Specilist Cally
Pegasus_Actual - May 2, 2006 08:39 PM (GMT)
I can't think of any reason why they would. Most of the time people keep their relationships professional while on duty.
At least that is the way I see it from my military experience.(Special Ops)
mjm800 - May 2, 2006 09:00 PM (GMT)
I am sure that while she was his basic flight instructor the relationship was a secret, as it would have been a violation of some code of conduct; however, after she passed him and was no longer his instructor a relationship would have been OK, officers may date other officer and I think that they were both Lt's at the time.
They really did not do a good job of establishing a timeline as it seems from the episode that Zak's death and their relationship in basic flight coincided. However, if you remember from the mini she had a photo of her, Zak, and Lee which would indicate there was a period between basic flight and his death when the relationship was known (at least by Lee).
Boomergirl - May 6, 2006 03:52 AM (GMT)
Yes, I agree that the relationship would have had to have been secret while she was training him. It seems that not long after he 'earned' his wings that he was killed, but sometime before that Lee knew of their relationship. But Lee must have known Kara for some time since he knew of that incident where she slept with a 'major'--that must have happened before she started seeing Zak because according to the mini, Kara and Lee hadn't seen each other since Zak's funeral.
As for Adama, he didn't know about Kara until later. He'd never even met her until after Zak died, and it seemed that Zak had only just told his dad about Kara before his death.
Mira - May 6, 2006 05:32 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Boomergirl @ Sat 6 May 06, 3:52) |
Yes, I agree that the relationship would have had to have been secret while she was training him. It seems that not long after he 'earned' his wings that he was killed, but sometime before that Lee knew of their relationship. But Lee must have known Kara for some time since he knew of that incident where she slept with a 'major'--that must have happened before she started seeing Zak because according to the mini, Kara and Lee hadn't seen each other since Zak's funeral.
As for Adama, he didn't know about Kara until later. He'd never even met her until after Zak died, and it seemed that Zak had only just told his dad about Kara before his death. |
Actually it isn't all that clear whether Adama knew Kara before Zak was killed or not. The flash back in Acts of C. where they are talking in what looks like a shipyard.. I get the feeling that they had at least met. Then again he talks to her like he just met her for the first time, Zak was already dead, and Adama probes Kara about her relationship with Zak. Still it seems like that should be before the funeral, because flashbacks of Zak's funeral, Lee and his mother were on one side of the casket with Lee's arms around his mother, and Kara and Adama were on the other side with Adama holding Kara's hand. I somehow do not see Adama doing that out of the blue unless he at least knew Kara slightly and what her and Zak ment to one another. I do not believe that Kara and Adama became as close as they were, till after Zak's death though.
I also think that Lee's anger at his father at that time also put a wedge in his friendship with Kara. She of course at once felt guilty about Zak and responsible for the rift between Lee and his father, but she confessed neither.
Roadrunner - May 20, 2006 05:07 PM (GMT)
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| Lee must have known Kara for some time since he knew of that incident where she slept with a 'major'--that must have happened before she started seeing Zak |
Actually, according to Katee Sackhoff, Kara met Lee because of her relationship with his brother. The implication then from Lee's reference is that Kara cheated on Zak, probably before their engagement, but who knows.
Yes Mira, the military does specifically state that an "unduly familiar" relationship between an instructor and student is forbidden. And with Kara and Zak discussing his test results while in the sack together, it's pretty clear that they were ignoring the regulations. Adama didn't know about Kara until just before Zak's death -- and he had to guess. Lee knew, but didn't rat them out.
If the military had known that Kara was carrying on with a student, they would surely have put a stop to it or even bounced them both from flight school altogether. But I suspect they did a pretty good job of keeping it under wraps until after Zak was granted his wings.
It should also be noted that Kara's actions, both in carrying on with Zak and faking his test scores, would probably have resulted in a dishonorable discharge after his death, if she had fessed up to what she did. She not only lied to Zak and his family, but to the military too, and when dishonesty results in someone's senseless death... you better believe there will be consequences.
Mira - May 20, 2006 07:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Roadrunner @ Sat 20 May 06, 17:07) |
| QUOTE | | Lee must have known Kara for some time since he knew of that incident where she slept with a 'major'--that must have happened before she started seeing Zak |
Actually, according to Katee Sackhoff, Kara met Lee because of her relationship with his brother. The implication then from Lee's reference is that Kara cheated on Zak, probably before their engagement, but who knows.
Yes Mira, the military does specifically state that an "unduly familiar" relationship between an instructor and student is forbidden. And with Kara and Zak discussing his test results while in the sack together, it's pretty clear that they were ignoring the regulations. Adama didn't know about Kara until just before Zak's death -- and he had to guess. Lee knew, but didn't rat them out.
If the military had known that Kara was carrying on with a student, they would surely have put a stop to it or even bounced them both from flight school altogether. But I suspect they did a pretty good job of keeping it under wraps until after Zak was granted his wings.
It should also be noted that Kara's actions, both in carrying on with Zak and faking his test scores, would probably have resulted in a dishonorable discharge after his death, if she had fessed up to what she did. She not only lied to Zak and his family, but to the military too, and when dishonesty results in someone's senseless death... you better believe there will be consequences.
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So what your saying my dear Roadrunner, is that Kara was keeping mum about her part in passing an unqualified pilot, so protect her own shapely behind.. :err:
So as a result she wss willing for the Adama wars to go on and for father and son Lee to be estranged for two years.. And on top of that then have the gonads to be critical of Lee for still being angry at his father, whom he held responsible for pulling strings that got Zak into flight school and then passed... :err:
Now just what does all this say about the character of our Kara Starbuck Thrace?? :smoke:
Boomergirl - August 31, 2006 01:59 AM (GMT)
I don't think she quite realized how deep the estrangement was between father and son until she saw Lee again in the mini. In any case, Lee seemed to have had a lot of pent up anger and even Kara's confession if it had happened before Lee was ready to feel forgiveness, might not have meant anything.
