Knowing what the word "frak" really means, do you think it is used too much? headscratch

Not at all, it's probably used less than it is in reality.

I don't know too many soldiers that say "Gosh darn it, Beaver... wait until Mom and Dad find out!" :24:

And since Cain is on the way back to the series, you can bet the term "Gollmonging" won't be far behind... :24: :24:

And if you're going to reintroduce all of the old cusswords, we may as well bring back "Felgercarb" too! :24: :24: :24:

I just noticed in "The Farm" , frak was used more than usual.

I was a soldier and didn't use the F-word all the time. I was curious and decided to start a poll.

I personally would't mind if they did use some of the other original words. At least it isn't the same word over and over.

Yeah, but that one just doesn't roll of the tongue as easily.

Wow. The stories must not interest you if that's what raises your antenna.
Should the writers even be keeping count?

It's not like this is an epidemic. In fact, it's limited to a few characters.
Tigh, StarBuck, some soldiers/fighters etc.

I don't think I've heard Adama, Rosalyn, Zarek, Gaeta, any Cylon's, Duala...
Hell! Even Doc Cottle...use that term.

If we see Elosha cussing on a regular basis...then we know the writers are losing it :hihi:

Jeez, go watch some cartoons if that bugs you. Buck up, man.

You should watch Deadwood. That series is atrocious for bad language. It's that bad I can't watch it. -_-

Frak is kind of like the new "frell," and I think "frell" was used more in Farscape than frak on BSG. I do think that RDM should come up with more derivatives though, like "motherfrakker," "frakkin' A," etc.

I've always like frigg more than frak, but frak works.

I'd hardly call it "limited to a few characters". A number of characters have used it:

Adama's said Frak - during his conversation w/Ellen in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down". I want to say he's used it one other time, but don't recall for certain.

Apollo's used it a number of times.

Baltar's said it several times.

Boomer - who's a Cylon - has used it several times in several episodes.

Cally's used it several times.

Crashdown said it once, maybe twice.

Gaeta's used it one time, I think. I'll have to re-watch all the episodes again to see if I can find out which one. I want to say it was in "Scattered".

FlyBoy used it.

HotDog used it.

Jammer's used it a couple of times.

Racetrack has said it.

Socinus used it.

Tyrol's used it several times.

As have several others. There are only a few exceptions that stand out: Roslin, Cpl Venner, Billy, Capt. Kelly, Seelix, the medic that saved Adama's life and some very few others.

Well, you've proven my point.

Look at the characters you've mentioned...
They fall into the group of (as I said): "Tigh, StarBuck, some soldiers/fighters etc."

That leaves all the people on the "Barely ever cuss" list: "Adama, Rosalyn, Zarek, Gaeta, any Cylon's, Duala...Billy, Elosha, Vener, Marines, Hell! Even Doc Cottle"
As for Adama, as you said "he's used it one other time".

And I'll restate...if we see Elosha preaching "the Frack"...then there's a problem. :thumb:

And I'll restate...if we see Elosha preaching "the Frack"...then there's a problem

"Oh Lords of Kobol, hear our fracking prayers..."

It has a nice ring to it!

No, actually I refuted it.

And you're changing your story, now...? What you originally said was:

Thus, that only a small handful of characters ever say Frak when that's not the case. You had Adama on the "never said" list, if you'll recall.

Also, using lots of background characters - "some soldiers/fighters" - that hardly get two lines in an episode as an example is weak, as you can hardly expect them all to use Frak every other word when all they've got is maybe four sentences in their entire one episode appearance. :wink:

I don't think the "frak" word is used to much. I liked that word better than the word we use in reality even though they mean the same. In reality, we would probably cuss more if situation is serious or make us angry than we think. Students in high school cuss much worser than people on BSG and students aren't faced with live or death situation!

Probably better to curse a little that to overreact adversely to innocent comments made by others. :hihi:

It all depends on the context surely. Students do curse much worse than a lot of characters from TV shows apart from Odyssey 5. But I concur with Silentwolfdog on this.

"You are a frakkin nutter" is a different context than saying "I'm going to frakkin blow your brains out". People on the edge say strange or extreme things without necessarily being aware of what they are actually saying. Its the context of the words rather than the curse in question.

Whatever you may think "frack" means its still not an actual living curse word.

If your deliberately looking to be offended by imaginary words than feel free. I'm just not going to give you permission to be surprised when you discover no one else cares.

Is it over used? No.

It would be overused if one person said it all the time in normal conversation. OR if we have a entire segment where a group of people are sitting in the room using the word with almost every sentice.

But if it's used by a character and he/she don't use it again for an episode or two, or if he/she says it and don't use it again til much later in the same episode, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Concidering what they've all been through it lends a certain "realism" to the show I think.

It is obvious what it means in this series. It is the F-word.

And as for deliberately looking to be offended, I am not. It is just a poll to get peoples opinions. Don't read more into things than what is stated.

Sorry if I came off a bit strong. I was just generally addressing whoever might find a totally fake word offensive, not you in particular.

And yes it does resemble that 4 letter word we all know and love. Doesn't make frack any more real or offensive.

It does, but it might not mean the same thing. I seem to recall that Boxey used 'frack' in school in the original series! It might just mean to spoil or break, and not be as offensive as our f-word.

I enjoy the way they work it in. It is getting to be like Dr. McCoy using his "I'm a doctor not a ..." line. In my experience military types tend to use pretty colorful language and I am always looking for creative new uses of "Frak". There should be a poll on Best Frak.

History of the F word

http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/history.htm

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Do I think it's over used? No.

It's no worse then using "Frell" like they did in Farscape.

I think "frak" is over-used. Not because the real-life "f-word" offends me, just because it shows this culture has no creativity when it comes to cursing and slang. They could throw in more "crap," "hell," and "damn" in there every now and then (or something similar, as they may not have a "hell")

So, yeah, it's just gotten boring, but it's not offensive

I should add: Frak really does have a meaning - during Vietnam, leaders who were deamed unqualified (incompitent) were typically hit with by "friendly fire," (oops, sorry I shot you in the chest, LT) or fracked.

I thought it was "Fragged". Anyone?

Yeah, I don't know who started the 'frakked/fragged' connection, but the two are completely different.

Yeah, my mistake

I don't think it's over used either.

I started to use frak (or is it frack?) in my everyday life. I see it as a more healthier replacement. Tehehe. :hihi:

So frak is like a low-fat f**k? Being a Farscape fan is particularly useful if you want to use low-fat swearwords. Frell, you little tralk, go to hezmana, kick him in the mivonks, that's a load of dren. Still not sure if I'd ever use feldergarb (or is it feldercarb, and hence means low-carb? I'm confused).

There's also "I don't have to deal with this yotz!" which I actually use. :wink:

It goes to show how good Farscape was at this, as I can actually hear this in Rygel's voice. The various made up words came from many different cultures. I agree with whoever already mentioned it, that BSG needs more invented expletives.

Perhaps we could start a forum on new BSG swear words.
How about this for a format...

Start with a mundane-ish swearword c**p (sounds like clap) Knock out middle letters with appropriate vowels and consenants so you end out with the new swear word like "Clop"

"What a load of Clop"

Bit like this post really :hihi:

Why couldn't they just say "crap?" It's perfectly legal on both network and cable TV during prime time, as is "damn," (if not used with "God".)

They use every other Earth term in the book (unless they've been to Salem, MA in the past few hundred years, I doubt they know what a "Witch Hunt" actually is...)

Edit: I should add: even ER used s**t during prime time. It's LEGAL, they just don't want to lose sponsership by doing so. They took a huge risk, but it worked at the time. Of course, the show is off the radar now, but that's a different discussion all together. There are just so many helicopters they can drop or chop on the same guy...

Sorry TheMadCoder I was being a little facitceous. There is of course no reason why they can't use damn, crap or hell. At least they haven't used Golmonging yet.. (Source TOS - Living Legend)

I think its a residual from the old series where they were trying to make Colonial society have different terms for common language like swearwords and units and distance and time.


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I think it's fair that they've used "days" on the new show. My girlfriend asked many questions having watched the season 1 DvDs, and it's pretty easy to say "it's been two months since the holocaust" (based upon Helo's "days on Caprica") Especially in regards to Roslins breast cancer, how much food and water they have, and the seemingly unlimited supply of ammunition they spit out each day! :P

I seem that they mentioned "lightyears" in the pilot, so they're covered that, too.

We've done cubits a few times.

I remember...! :)

I think it's good that, if we came from the same initial culture, AND had space travel prior to splitting, we'd use the same terms in those regards.

Of course, a "day" is based on your own solar-system, no? :)

Yep, you're correct a day is the same in the Alpha centauri system as the Sol system. :hihi:

I quite like the Earth similarities. And the earth classifications sound better and more consistent than the traditional forms of measurement.

Man, was there a debate about this one on the old board. :hihi:

i wonder if the Colonials would say "hell" since they are following a pagan system of religion?

Sorry CO wasn't on old board - Whats a definition of Pagan, I always thought pagan equates to Wicca or Wiccan beliefs ie. - witchcraft.

Aren't the Colonials a polythesiastic society which wouldn't necessarily rule out hell. Yes they follow many gods but they have a form of Underworld surely - not exactly the same as hell but not a desirable place to be.

Don't know really. But happy to chew it over.