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 Question on WTC Aicraft Impacts
johndoeX
Posted: Oct 30 2006, 12:35 PM


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Wow! what a difference in the images. Spread it everywhere.. tell people to download it.. I saved it in several places.


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Posted: Oct 30 2006, 12:50 PM


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It is VERY interesting smile.gif
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Posted: Oct 30 2006, 01:06 PM


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Panic over - they can also be found in NISTNCSTAR1-2Draft.pdf
(pages 418 - 420) which I luckily had, but seem to have been left out of
NISTNCSTAR1-2B_Chaps1-8.pdf and NISTNCSTAR1-2B_Chaps9-11.pdf
(not a fun afternoon's reading)

Thanks for posting on the link Rob - almost makes me look like a real researcher,
though I don't think Chris Bollyn has much to worry about yet. smile.gif

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Posted: Nov 8 2006, 11:03 PM


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QUOTE (chek @ Oct 25 2006, 04:09 PM)
QUOTE (behind @ Oct 25 2006, 02:52 PM)
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A white paper released on February 3, 1964
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"The documents indicate that a B707, the largest commercial aircraft at the time, flying at 600 mph was considered and that the analysis indicated that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact"
...
wtc.nist.gov/WTC_
(at the bottom of the page)

Behind,
Thank you - excellent find! The first definite lead I've had so far.

Amazing what they buried in that 4ft pile of dcouments - as Kevin Ryan says
about his Tnrat theory - overload them 'they'll never read all that'.

Thanks again

There is also an interview in one of the videos with a person who said that the towers might have handled multiplane impacts.

What puzzels me is that both planes went through the buildings siding without any of the flinsy material, wings or tail falling off before they went in.

The siding was aluminum coated steel that were also supporting beams in addition to the 47 core beams in the center.

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Posted: Nov 10 2006, 05:17 AM


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QUOTE (NJcpaTOM @ Nov 9 2006, 04:03 AM)
QUOTE (chek @ Oct 25 2006, 04:09 PM)
QUOTE (behind @ Oct 25 2006, 02:52 PM)
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A white paper released on February 3, 1964
______________________________________

"The documents indicate that a B707, the largest commercial aircraft at the time, flying at 600 mph was considered and that the analysis indicated that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact"
...
wtc.nist.gov/WTC_
(at the bottom of the page)

Behind,
Thank you - excellent find! The first definite lead I've had so far.

Amazing what they buried in that 4ft pile of dcouments - as Kevin Ryan says
about his Tnrat theory - overload them 'they'll never read all that'.

Thanks again

There is also an interview in one of the videos with a person who said that the towers might have handled multiplane impacts.

What puzzels me is that both planes went through the buildings siding without any of the flinsy material, wings or tail falling off before they went in.

The siding was aluminum coated steel that were also supporting beams in addition to the 47 core beams in the center.

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That was Frank DeMartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, who died while helping to evacuate the building.

He can be seen in person stating this on:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...17423&q=Frank+A .+Demartini&hl=en
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Posted: Nov 13 2006, 02:16 PM


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EDITED TO CLARIFY: SORRY ABOUT THIS -- I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AN EARLIER POST (ABOVE) PRETTY MUCH DUPLICATED WHAT I JUST PROVIDED. I'M LEAVING IT INTACT TO MAKE SURE OTHERS DON'T MISS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE VIDEO // MUCH LIKE I DID EARLIER. SMILE PLEASE. THANKS
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I came across this interesting video a few months back. As I understand this aired on the History Channel only once but apparently hasn't been shown since 9/11.

It's a very short clip -- just 38 seconds long.

But first let me give you a little background. The gentleman you will see speaking (Mr. Frank A. DeMartini) was the Manager of Construction and Project Management for the WTC -- I thought you should understand it's not just some guy in a suit and tie speaking about something he truly doesn't understand, but obviously somebody that knows his subject, i.e., WTC construction.

Frank DeMartini died on September 11th a hero.

After accompanying his wife down 88 flights of stairs from his office in the North Tower, he went back up with fellow WTC worker Pablo Ortiz and rescued over 70 people. DeMartini and Ortiz - both 49 years of age - perished in the collapse of the North Tower.

They were both obviously heroes (by many standards) and I would imagine that Mr. De Martini was more than just a little surprised to discover the collapse of the towers around him knowing what he knew of their solid construction:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/172833/histo...ary_on_the_wtc/

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I for one don't begrudge a man that showed that kind of heroism getting a dual mention Jerry, and I'm pretty sure nobody else would either smile.gif

Remembering them is the important thing.
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Posted: Nov 23 2006, 09:47 AM


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Interesting talk about the 600 miles and the impact at DU forum
...
For example:

When Silverstein Properties took over the WTC Complex on July 24th 2001 they had a Property Rick Assessment prepared wherein they identify a scenerio of a plane crashing into the building and the likely damage that would ensue, (probably for insurance reasons).

For some reason we don't have information as to who prepared the report, or the minute details of the report, but here is what the NIST states in regard of that assessment..

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/MediaUpdate%20_FINAL_ProgressR...

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A property risk assessment report prepared for Silverstein Properties prior to leasing the WTC towers in 2001 identifies the scenario of an aircraft striking a tower as one of the .maximum foreseeable losses....

...The structural designers of the towers have publicly stated that in their opinion that either of the Towers could withstand such an impact from a large modern passenger aircraft. The ensuing fire would damage the .skin. in this scenario, as the spilled fuel would fall to the Plaza level where it would have to be extinguished by the NYC Fire Department..
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The movie "9/11 Mysteries, pt. 1: Controlled Demolition" also features the footage of DiMartini. Sorry if this has already been stated here.

Most here now know my views on the disappearing planes of that day. So I won't bog this thread down with them. I will only point out one simple law of physics.

The soft, hollow, aluminum body of an airliner moving at 500 mph and hitting the aluminum-coated structural steel exoskeleton of the North Tower, which has been described as "an intense grid," is the exact same as the aluminum-coated structural steel exoskeleton of the North Tower, which has been described as "an intense grid," moving at 500 mph and hitting the soft, hollow, aluminum body of an airliner.

Keep this law of physics in mind when you watch footage of planes disappearing entirely into bldgs before slamming on the brakes and exploding inside those bldgs.

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You can also find those pages in the NIST Report at:

NIST NCSTAR 1-2

Scroll to page 420 of the PDF document to find Page 306 Apendix A.

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