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 What makes a good Manga...well, good?, I like starting opinion based threads
 
Which do you prefer?
I like anime. You just can't beat seeing the characters alive on the screen. [ 2 ]  [13.33%]
Manga. Taking your own pace, and enjoying the(usually) raw story as it was originally intended just makes me drool. [ 5 ]  [33.33%]
Both, I could never choose. [ 8 ]  [53.33%]
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her-sourness
Posted on Jan 11 2010, 12:10 AM


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Manga is one of the things I do dearly love, perhaps even more than anime. With no english dubs or language barriers, I need only read to enjoy my favorite characters and situations. However, it's been a debate between me and my friends for ages what makes a manga worth a look.

Several of my friends think the romance is what makes a manga worth a read, several won't read comics unless they're fan doujinshi based off an anime, and the vast majority won't touch a manga unless the art style is gorgeously polished ( getting them to stare at the FLCL manga for more than ten seconds was an all out war, let me tell you!)

What prerequisites do you think have to be filled before you'll pick up a manga?

I personally find that I am merely a word junky. I like brain teasers, oddities, different looks at old plot lines, and new art styles, but most importantly, the story has to be absolutely solid. I have great respect for all forms of art, and as a terrible artist myself who has struggled through many sketch books, I can't find it in my heart to deny a manga for it's artwork, but being heavily addicted to novels of all kinds, graphic or not, I very much know when I don't want anything to do with the plot, or how the author executes it..

Please, debate my views as much as you like, but I want to see yours too! smile.gif Oh, and name drop as well, I'm looking for a new series to worship.
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KaiserMikeB
Posted on Jan 11 2010, 12:42 AM


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I'm a very slow reader and don't often have time to sit down and focus on a book. For me if I'm going to read a manga I want to make sure I'll be getting something out of it.

I don't really care what kind of story it is, as long as it's art. I'm very plot oriented, and require it to be pretty solid, though the subject isn't that important.

Manga I've enjoyed is FLCL, Nausicaa, and Adolf.
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FlyingElf
Posted on Jan 11 2010, 12:51 AM


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Storytelling and character development are key to a manga. As you don't have the motion of an anime, portraying things like action is more difficult and even more difficult to make interesting.

The nice thing about manga as well is it typically tells more of a story than the anime and is also quicker to get through.

I'm not sure I would say theres no language barriers in manga. They may simply be translated out. A series like Azumanga Daioh that constantly mocks Japanese life and culture may simply have the jokes changed so they make sense to an American audience, but theres still a language barrier. Some translations in anime work that way as well and there is always debate over whether a literal translation or an interpertation is the better route to go.

And to answer the original question in the poll...depends on the series. Some work better in manga, some work better in anime. For example, I've read and watched Eyeshield 21, however I prefer the anime version simply because watching the action on screen adds to the experience. However something like Death Note I felt was much better as a manga.
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her-sourness
Posted on Jan 11 2010, 01:28 AM


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blink.gif You guys are fast. I wasn't expecting any reply's 'till tomorrow.

KaiserMike: Ah, I understand how time constraint can ruin a good manga's mood. Nothing like being told to do the dishes when your about to read whether or not the hero's sister lives or is eaten live. sleep.gif We differ though on story. I have to enjoy the subject matter to get into a manga. If I don't, I just stand in the library staring at how someone drew what they did until I'm sure I'll dream about it the next night.

On a lighter note, what is Adolf? I know I've heard of it, but I have no idea what it's about.

Flyingelf: You make a good point. One of the things that truly gets me about enjoying the Japanese culture as a whole, and not just the entertainment, as an American is how minuscule my ability to understand their culture is. There whole way of thinking is different. It's like pulling your head off and putting it back on upside down and backwards.(I mean this with as little malice as possible. I love grilling my own brain trying to learn bits and pieces of their enormous alphabet, traditions and sayings.)

Anywho, I think I prefer manga, because it's almost like looking at a story board, though usually more detailed, of the final anime. You know a fraction of what your seeing very likely will never become part of the anime, which is very, very cool, and sad, and your getting a peak at a lot of the original concepts of the creator, which can get lost when put through mainstream animation.

It's not perfect though, and you are right, some anime is much better as anime. Most science fiction anime with lot of giant robots and such, or horror genre, with many scenes that require hair raising violin solo's in the background, is so much more entertaining on the screen then in my hands. Humor and romance is nice in comic book form, though. It's nice to be able to just flip a page to skip the sap that makes your teeth hurt.

Probably should stop making such long posts...
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KaiserMikeB
Posted on Jan 11 2010, 03:42 AM


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Adolf is not on a lighter note tongue.gif

Adolf is a manga by the "God of Manga", Osamu Tezuka. It follows the story of two friends who grew up in Japan during WW2, the German born Adolf Kaufman, and the Jewish born Adolf Kamille. Adolf Hitler also becomes a character briefly.

It is an amazingly powerful and entertaining story. It becomes especially human as you see a young boy who for the first volume (of 5, I think) is the most loving child you could imagine fall into the Hitler Youth and ascend the ranks into the SS. The last few pages of the manga bring everything full circle and make a much more powerful statement than any other "War" story I have ever seen/read.

You can still find it online, though I think it is out of print now. It's not the typical "tokyo-pop", "my boyfriend is a vampire but I'm an angry lesbian" teenybopper manga that you tend to find in book stores, but rather an adult story made for a mature audience. When you hear that almost all Japanese people read manga, THIS is the type of thing that they are reading (not Absolute Boyfriend or Zombie Loan tongue.gif).

If you have the cash handy I recommend that you immediately acquire it. You won't regret it happy.gif



While I'm selling you on stuff, get your library to buy Nausicaa. It's by the guy who made Spirited Away, Howls Moving Castle, and Princess Mononoke so it should be an easy sell to them. I consider it to be the finest piece of literature ever produced by Japan (and I've read quite a few). The movie does not do it justice. If you've ever wanted to feel every hair on your body raised just by reading a work of fiction, you should check it out. It's an action adventure, so it's a lot more like what you're probably used to reading as well.
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Posted on Jan 11 2010, 11:49 AM


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If you are looking manga with deep, slow-burning plots and great character development, I recommend anything by Naoki Urasawa, most notably "Monster," "20th Century Boys," and "Pluto."

I also wholeheartedly agree with Mike that "Nausicaa" should be a part of every library and any self-respecting manga fan's collection, it is an absolute masterpiece of fiction.

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her-sourness
Posted on Jan 11 2010, 04:15 PM


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I will have to look into these Manga, they sound interesting, at the least. As I've said, all of my money is going into the con trip, but that doesn't mean I can't hit the net and see about finding them...

Ah yes, Nausicaa. A beloved series of mine. I have read the manga's, and I do agree, it is epic. Hayao Miyazaki reminded me of why I loved anime and manga alike, when I had fallen out of it because of my friend's ignorant "Kawaii"ing and lack of interest in anything that didn't include yaoi in some major form, with a plot deeper than "my boyfriend is a vampire but I'm an angry lesbian", to quote you, Mike. wink.gif I have nothing against yaoi, kawaii-ing, or that particular plot, it just grates my nerves when that's the only thing they have to talk about, and the only thing they will talk about. You'd think that'd make me less interested in an anime convention, but truthfully, in small bursts, it's kind of fun to kawaii the living crap out of everyone around you.

I wonder if I was put into a room with someone native to japan, they'd be as irritated with me as I am with my friends...now there's a thought...

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Posted on Jan 12 2010, 09:18 AM


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I like you happy.gif
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Posted on Jan 12 2010, 08:06 PM


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Spank you, Mike happy.gif. You too are cool beans.
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KaiserMikeB
Posted on Jan 12 2010, 09:03 PM


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I no longer like you. tongue.gif
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Posted on Jan 13 2010, 01:06 AM


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Wow, that's a new record. 57 minutes. Normally it takes me an hour to convince people they need to change their opinions of me. Woot!
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jenni
Posted on Jun 7 2010, 02:50 PM


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I don't like manga. It's difficult for me to follow. I usually ignore the pictures and only read the text. Because of the size of the books and the lack of color I also usually can't differentiate between one character and the other, especially not in action scenes. Comics just don't make sense to me. But that's something that can't be helped.
I guess for me a good story and good character development are what is most important. Text/dialogue is often less important to me because in a comic you are limited to how much you can include. I like Nausicaa because it has a good story that you relate to. It's not something silly or distant, but you get attached to characters. Another problem I typically have with comics is that the characters tend to feel unnatural and awkward, so I usually can't understand them well.
I agree with Michael in that I don't care what type of a story it is as long as it's done well.
I also think it's okay that there is so much teeny-bop stuff out there. There is also a lot of other terrible media out there, but people like it.
The only thing I think I really prefer as a manga is nausicaa, although I haven't seen the movie...I'm scared to. tongue.gif

Sorry for reviving a really old topic, but not much is happening on the forums and I found this sort of interesting....
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Wolfie
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I read more manga then I watch anime really. Manga is a little nicer, cause you can go back and re-read something if you didn't get a plot point. Plus I don't have to rewind back to the point I wanted to see.
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Personally, I prefer Manga over the Anime. The manga usually takes it slow and goes more in depth about the background and story of the situation. I love the story behind what I'm watching or reading, I cannot stand something that makes no sense at all. Kind of why I hate most of the movies that are made based on comics and games. They change the story completely to have their own universe or version of the story itself. If the show is primarily an anime and has a manga spin off, I'd follow the anime instead to keep with the canon. Usually that's not the case except for small things like Yu-Gi-Oh!, Digimon, and Pokemon. (Small as in primarily made for children to watch.) Now stories like Claymore and Soul Eater who have a Long Story going on through the Manga but summed up and placed into a short 40+ episode cartoon which diverts off the actual story, I don't watch them.
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Posted on Jul 18 2012, 01:20 AM


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I somehow haven't posted here yet...

I've been finding that most times out of ten I'll end up preferring the manga for something, but not usually for the better depth or slower pace. The reasons vary of course, but it often boils down to what's available to me. Up until recently, my life-style did NOT include constant, reliable nor private access to the internet, so on my days off or in my free time I'd end up going to either the library or local book stores to see what gems I could find on the shelves of constant "My boyfriend is a vampire but I'm an angry lesbian".

Thanks to the frequent treasure troves in Half-Price Books, I've managed to find a good many series that fill my needs. For some strange reason, ALL of those series either didn't have an anime version, didn't get passed the OVA stage, or just weren't done right somehow. These two key factors have led me to lean heavily more on the manga side of the fence. (See examples below for partial list)

Plus, it's easier for me to justify buying one volume of manga that I can leaf through in the store to see if I like it, whereas with anime (without internet), I have to risk blowing similar money on one dvd for something I've either already seen and know I like, or have at least heard about. There is no way I can bring myself to pick up a dvd for a series I've never heard of before like I can and have done many times with a manga. Last time I tried it with an anime I ended up with Kaze no Yojimbo; which wasn't *bad*, but I haven't had any drive to see more of it.

Examples:
Gunsmith Cats - 3 episode OVA + Riding Bean (technically it's own series)
Blade of the Immortal - Unclassified, didn't like first episode though.
Et Cetera - Non-existant.
Battle Angel Alita - 2 episode OVA.
Parasyte - Non-existant somehow...
Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service - Unclassified, probably non-existant.
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