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Posted by: FinalRagnarok Feb 26 2007, 12:44 AM
Any of you guys that know of this masterful series of Strategy RPG's?

Posted by: Omega2042 Feb 26 2007, 01:00 AM
I dont like it. I could into reasons why, but I will leave it at that.

I find Disgaea to be the end all be all of Strategy RPGs out there. In what other game can you go to level 9999? The sheet volume of things you can do in that game is staggering. You can play through the game 100 times and beat it in 100 different ways. Also no matter what strategy you use, there will be a map on there they will annoy you to death.

Then the bonus stuff is just off the charts. Unlocking some of them is worthy of praise in its own right. Such as getting to the Land of Carnage in Disgaea 2. Or getting a Yoshitsuna.

With the ability to level up your items, characters and attacks, a master student relationship, the Dark Assembly, Item World and of course all the classes you can make, it outshine any strategy RPG by a huge margin.

And thats only a small portion of the stuff you can do in it.

Posted by: Uchiha Mikyas Feb 26 2007, 01:15 AM
World of Warcraft is my favorite Strategy rpg so far. Instance dungeons, such as Zul'Gurub, require so much preparation and strategy, as well as a full 20 man raid, can tend to be extremely difficult since the elite enemies are ridiculously powerful .

Alterac Valley, which is a PVP battleground, tests your strategic skills even more since you need to work together with your raid group, discovering the best ways to proceed based on their faction's map, etc.

Posted by: FinalRagnarok Feb 26 2007, 01:43 AM
Mickey, SRPG's are played with grid based systems. WoW doesn't have grid based systems. You just run around. While there is Strategy involved, it's not a SRPG.

BTW, I was checking out Disgaea and I heard many good things about it. I don't know why I haven't gotten it yet. I placed it my "Games I should check out" list, but I never got around to it. I'm probably gonna do that once I beat my friend's FFXII that I'm borrowing tomorrow.

Posted by: Uchiha Mikyas Feb 26 2007, 01:47 AM
QUOTE (FinalRagnarok @ Feb 26 2007, 01:43 AM)
Mickey, SRPG's are played with grid based systems. WoW doesn't have grid based systems. You just run around. While there is Strategy involved, it's not a SRPG.

BTW, I was checking out Disgaea and I heard many good things about it. I don't know why I haven't gotten it yet. I placed it my "Games I should check out" list, but I never got around to it. I'm probably gonna do that once I beat my friend's FFXII that I'm borrowing tomorrow.

oh dry.gif

Posted by: Ds14 Feb 26 2007, 02:16 AM
A lot of people hated Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, but I thought it was great. Sure I was in 8th grade and there wasn't much else to do, but I'd still play it now.

I only really play my gba (only handheld) when I'm bored in the car or on an airplane or something like that, so all I need are my golden sun(another 8th grade game) and pokemon emerald(XD).

And btw, XII is pretty cool. I didn't downloaded it.

Posted by: Omega2042 Feb 26 2007, 04:02 AM
First of all, no strategy RPGs do not require a grid. Look at Phantom Brave and Makai Kingdom.

OK, this is going to be a long list of things as I will try to fit on much about Disgaea 2 in as I can.

Classes:
-Humans:

Fighter
Lady Fighter
Skull
Mage
Ninja
Kunoichi
Chaos Soldier
Heavy Knight
Prisoner
Druid
Samurai
Gunner
Thief
Healer
Archer
Beast Tamer
Knight

Monster:

Ghost
Zombie
Empusa
Nekomata
Dragon
Prinny
Petite Orc
Mothman
Warslug
Alraune
Cu Sith
Marionette
White Dragon
Wood Giant
Baciel
Skeletal Dragon
Cockatrice

Each class then has six tiers. each teir adds to the base stats as well as the Equip%s of that unit.

Apart from having different stats from each other, each class also comes with different traits. Some of these traits include things like: Attack power up against male units, Increases Dodge when near death, Attacks twice when near death, powers up nearby male units, etc etc.

Then of course each unit has different skill in using certain weapons. As such a warrior is better with a sword than a staff.

Of course each weapon also has its own traits. A list of each weapon type is:

Fists
Swords
Spears
Bows
Guns
Axes
Staff

Now as you use a weapon your skill with it gets better. This causes you to learn special attacks with that weapon and such. It also increaes how much the stat gains from the weapon give you. So if a sword has 1000 attack and you have 20 mastery with a sword it will give you 1,200 attack. *Note I made those numbers up*

The max level is 9999. Although to make the strongest character you will need to Reincarnate many times in order to get the most out of your stats. Reincarnation resets your level back down to 1, but it gives you bonus stats so when you go back to the level you used to be you will be much stronger than before.

Your items also have levels. As you level them up they will get stronger and as such make you stronger. To level them up you must take them into the Item World.

The Item World is just a randomly generated dungeon in which you fight mosnters equal to the strength of the item you are in. So low tiered items have weak monsters and high tiered strong. Also the more floors you complete the stronger the monsters become.

Now while the level cap is that high, most players wont break 100. Why you ask? The bonus stuff in this game takes the game to a whole new level. The Item World itself is complex and requires planning to get the best items you can possibly get.

The end all be all of Disgaea 2's secret areas however is The Land of Carnage. This area is reserved for only hardcore players as getting here is a feat worthly of praise. If you know what this is, you know exactly what I am talking about. Also let it be know that I have opened this area and I have a Yoshitsuna that is awaiting me to level it up.

Oh man, this is turning out to be too long...and I still havent covered anywhere close to all the things you acn do. Like throwing, bonuses, felonies, stacking, geo panels. Man oh man there is just too much for one man to list!

Posted by: Ds14 Feb 26 2007, 04:10 AM
O_O

Posted by: FinalRagnarok Feb 26 2007, 03:46 PM
LOL wow, that's quite an extensive list there. And I messed up with the definition of SRPG's. They're defined as being turn-based like chess, but the more prominent ones also have grids also like chess. Either way, WoW doesn't fit as an SRPG.

I like the reincarnation system since you can push your stats as high as you possibly can that way. I'm starting to like Disgaea more and more. Though I'm gonna have to play 1 before 2.

Edit: This just in. Omega has caught me hook, line, and sinker on Disgaea XD. I'm gonna have to burn through FFXII and Disgaea 1 quickly and get to the good stuff LOL.

Posted by: Omega2042 Mar 1 2007, 03:14 AM
Interesting fact, I dont know if there is such a thing as max stats in Disgaea. The strongest thing I can fight, note not the strongest thing in the game, has 46 million HP. And no, I cant beat it...

I can beat the thing that has 4 million HP without too much trouble, but that thing....Its just a monster. Plus like I said there is something stronger...Although its ONE thing.

Anyway, to at least be semi on topic here I might as well list why I dislike FE. For starters I dont like how if a unit dies you can never use it again. Its crap, make one mistake on a map and screw yourself for the whole game. It makes you have to play as a perfectionist.

Next is the whole triangle of what beats what. This really limits you to having to use a little of everything. I am happy to say that I could hold true to myself in Disgaea and hardly ever use magic at all, including healing, but here you are forced to use swordsmen againt anyone with an axe, etc etc.

Of course next comes weapons and them breaking. Again iI felt limited with what I could do. If I found a really good weapon, I still couldnt use it! That annoyed the hell out of me, I had to use the cheap weapons you found in stores just because you could have them break on you and not have to worry.

All in all the combat felt a bit forced and with the unit death thing it really just ticked me off. I felt like I had to do every battle perfectly. Anyway, back to Disgaea now.

Now with Disgaea, if a unit dies you just have to pay a lot of money to get it revived. You never really will run out of money from this, but the less that die the more money you make and weapons and armor get EXPENSIVE. Sadly I have to cut this short, I will get to it later though.

Posted by: Omega2042 Apr 22 2007, 08:55 AM
Its only two months later! Oh well, I started playing Disgaea 2 a lot again so I felt like reviving this.

BIG NEWS! I got a unit to have 1.6 million attack today! I also did 2,200,000 damage. Not a typo up there. Fear the level 9999 Nekomata with a leveled up Satan's Motor! Oh and I did steal the best monster weapon, but have yet to level it up, just like my Yoshi which remains unused still...

Although now it will be much easier to get everything setup. I can take anything that isnt from the LoC or named Baal easily now. So now all I need is three more Gladiators and I will start leveling my Yoshi. But man, its going to take a long time to make a perfect one.

Now what was it that I didnt mention yet? Really, I forgot its been too long between rants.

Posted by: flamento Apr 22 2007, 10:06 AM
QUOTE (Ds14 @ Feb 26 2007, 02:16 AM)
A lot of people hated Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, but I thought it was great. Sure I was in 8th grade and there wasn't much else to do, but I'd still play it now.

FFTA is one of my favorite SRPG. I'm not entirely sure why though... but when ever I play it, I find out i've been playing for almost three hours, when it feels like 10 minutes. It kinda sucks you in a vortex of spells, equipment, monsters, classes etc...

Although being my favorite SRPG to play, I find myself less and less playing it because of of the horrible time lapse I find myself entering when I do start playing

Posted by: Kazuma Apr 23 2007, 02:09 AM
I played a FE a couple of years ago. Got tired of it for basically the same reasons Omega listed.

For Disgaea, I have the second one. It is fun and all, but I do not have the patience to go through everything the game has to offer. Quick Q to Omega: Is there a limit to the number of people/monsters one can create/or monsters to capture? Just curious is all.

Posted by: Omega2042 Apr 23 2007, 02:50 AM
Yeah, you can only have 255 total units, I forget how ma many space are reserved for story characters, but its like 243 characters that you can actually make.

Posted by: Omega2042 Apr 23 2007, 09:15 PM
Oh wait! I know what I havent covered yet: Items!

Items, the single most important part about getting stronger. Your stats can only go so high without the help of these important things. As an example of the impact they have on your stats let me take you back to a recent reincarnation I did.

Character A reincarnated, but had a leveled up Legendary Excalibur. The base attack strength of that unit was about 60, with the sword equiped it was 230,000. Yes, thats right. Just that one sword gave it that much attack, at level 1. Now, there are other things that went into this, mainly their sword mastery, but this is the impact items will have on your stats.

Before I get into explaining how items power up, I think I should cover the basics of how items work. The most imporrant thing is the rarity of an item. The lower the number, the better it is. While most of the numbers dont really matter, if it gets low enough it becomes rare or legendary. You cant buy rare of legendary items from the normal shop.

If an item is Rare or Legendary it gets a bonus to its stats. I forget the exact numbers off hand, but its better. Also you are able to go down more floors in the item world to make it stronger. Also they have more slots to put specialists in.

Also, items come in tiers. This is just basically a way to orginize how good they are. A tier 1 item is the worst in the game, while a tier 39 is the best. You can only buy up to tier 37 in the shop, so those last two are hard to get.

Before I cover the Item Wolrd, lets go over specialists. They are basically monsters that live in the item and give it an effect. Such as more attack power, more defense, increased chance to get a critical hit, increased resistance to magic, more weapon mastery earned with each attack, etc. They come in two forms: Subdued and Unsubdued. They get stronger when you beat them up and you can move them into other items.

So finally we come to the Item World. The basic idea is that you enter the item and make it stronger. Each floor is randomly generated and the level of the monsters depends on two things: 1) What tier the weapon is and 2) What floor you are on. The higher both, the stronger monsters you will fight. Though, you can just go to the exit and not fighting at all and the item will have the same stats in the end.

Also appearing randomly are Mystery Rooms. These are new to Disgaea 2. Inside these rooms can be a lot of things. Shops that sell rare and legendary items, shops that sell pretty much anything that you cant normally buy, ways to level up the item, etc. If you want to level up the item you will need to go into these and hope for some good luck.

Each floor you clear gives your item a stat boost. Every 10 floors you fight a boss. Either an Item General, Item King or Item God. The God only appears on floor 100, the King on floors 30, 60 and 90, and the General on everything in between. Each time you beat a boss the item gets a large boost. The stronger the boss the better the boost. As such killing the Item God gets you a huge boost to the item's stats, while a general is just decent.

Now, remember how I said the rarity determines how many floors the item has? Well, as you can see that makes a huge deal. Lower tiered items that are legendary can easily be made into stronger items if leveled up. Normal Items have 30 floors, Rare have 60 and Legendary have 100.

Included into this are also the Item Assemblies. Everytime you beat a boss, God being the exception, you have a chance to enter the Innocent Town. While you are there, there is a chance you will be able to enter the Item Assembly. Here you can further change the growth of the item by giving it pretty much whatever. Increased stats, increased counters, increased movement, increased attack range, etc.

Combining all of this, you can take items to insane heights of power. The Excalibur I mentioned earlier had an attack of 2,700 when I first got it, I think its been awhile since I had it at level 0. Now its attack is 60,000. Now imagine that every level in weapon mastery gives you a 5% boost to the weapon's effects. Finally, if the boost was that big from 2,700 imagine what will happen when I level up my Yoshitusna which has a base attack of 6,000.

Posted by: Kazuma Apr 23 2007, 11:55 PM
Wow...that helps me understand the Item World a little better. (I am actually underexaggerating, but whatever.)

All that had me think of another Q about the specialists. Some of them seem to not raise any stats, at least, a couple I did not see any. Are there some like that, or did I overlook something?

Posted by: Omega2042 Apr 24 2007, 01:45 AM
They all have an effect. Only a few of them actually raise a stat, most of them have a different effect. If you gave me the name of the one you dont know about I could tell you. I just know if I made a list of them I would forget some.

Posted by: Kazuma Apr 24 2007, 02:16 AM
Not entirely sure, but I think Witch Doctor, Gangster, and Coffee Maker were some.

Posted by: Omega2042 Apr 24 2007, 02:48 AM
Witch Doctor I am not sure about, I think they increase your resistance to being paralyzed. Gangster gives you a chance to inflict deprave with an attack. Finally Coffee Maker increases your resistance to sleep. All of them max out at 100 and their power is just a strait %.

Posted by: Kazuma Apr 27 2007, 02:05 AM
I doubt I would have ever so much as guessed all that.

Really, I had almost given it up not too long ago. Length of it and not enough time in the day. Soon as I get FFXII out of the way, which probably will be a while because I am obsessive with the Gambit System and am constantly trying to find a good setup so I do not have to do too much manually, I should get into it.

Posted by: Omega2042 May 3 2007, 11:05 AM
I didnt find the normal story mode to be too long, its just all the extras that take awhile.

Also I finished making a perfect weapon today. Its funny to see a level 1 with 1.2 million attack. So now I can start my training to max out my levels. All I need is about 185,000 of them or so. The sword itself has an attack of about 350K.

So yeah, thats the gap between a tier 39 and 40 weapon. The tier 39 has about 60K, although if I did as much work on it as I did on the rank 40 it might clear 100K. So its about three times as strong. It also looks cooler.

I got really really really lucky in making this thing too. I managed to get five things of great luck while I was leveling it, which saves me about 20 floors worth of resetting.

Well, thats pretty much it, now I am off to max out my felonies and then my levels.

Posted by: Kazuma May 4 2007, 09:10 PM
I wish I had that much freetime. I'm so deprived. v.v

Anyway, yeah the extras were what I meant. I find the normal story über boring, except for maybe the end. Conclusion was not great, imo, but I thought there was a half-nice twist in there with irony included. "Fake Zenon" for example.

Posted by: Kintaro May 4 2007, 10:53 PM
This topic is now about Disgaea and not about FE.

Posted by: FinalRagnarok May 5 2007, 10:11 AM
LOL didn't see that one coming...

Posted by: Kazuma May 6 2007, 03:25 AM
QUOTE (FinalRagnarok @ May 5 2007, 06:11 AM)
LOL didn't see that one coming...

wha...? How could you not? I mean...Disgaea is obviously > Fire Emblem. lol

And jeez...Omega had already beaten me to everything about it. ;-;

Yeah, I really don't think there is too much else to bring up about it. :/

Except for maybe favorite moments or monsters/humans.

I'll just cut it short:

Fav monster: Prinny (no real reason in particular. I just have a thing for penguins in a non-weird way.)
Fav Human: Chaos Soldier I guess. haven't really decided.

Posted by: Omega2042 May 6 2007, 04:31 AM
Oh thats not true, I never even touched Geo Panels at all! So enjoy, you can talk about them if you want.

As for my favorite classes, well in terms of human classes I am a bit limited. I guess I would have to say Adell though. Then maybe Captain Gordon Defender of Earth!

Now for demons. Oh this one is easy. Without a doubt its Beauty Queen Etna dood! Its hard to not like Etna.

For monsters, I guess it would have to be the prinnies too dood, zam. Oh and Yukimaru is my strongest character, zam. Which is why I need to say zam, zam.

Anyway, as for normal classes, I would have to go with the female ninja. Their special ability is just plain awesome.

Posted by: Kazuma May 7 2007, 02:23 AM
Hmm...I figured Adell was a demon. A few things could have hinted he was, but I guess not. Misinterpretation, maybe...

And yes, Yukimaru ftw, zam.
Well, seems I did not bother trying to remember well the three: Etna, Flonne(sp?), and Laharl.

Also...sure, I could go into Geo Panels and Symbols next time.

Posted by: Kazuma May 23 2007, 12:10 AM
Next time will have to wait.

The opening to Disgaea 2, Sinful Rose, right? Is there a longer vesion of it? My sister was wondering not too long ago.

Posted by: Omega2042 May 23 2007, 12:15 AM
I dont have it, but I could always look around and such. Wait, I should say I dont know if there is a longer one, I have Sinful Rose.

*edit* After some searching I have discovered there does seem to be a full version of Sinful Rose that is about four minutes long. I have just yet to find a place to DL it that doesnt involve money. Thats all the searching for today.

Posted by: Kazuma Jun 9 2007, 08:10 AM
Well, I will just admit to being too lazy to go into geo panels and symbols. I think enough has been discussed to get people into it. Anyway...

I would like to know what each of the specialists does, for future reference.
Maybe a tip or two for building perfect weapons. Unless all I really need to do is go to the mystery rooms and hope for great luck or something.

Posted by: Omega2042 Jun 9 2007, 09:21 AM
Guide to Making Perfect Weapons:

1) Open the Land of Carnage: Basically, learn the love the Item World. You will be spending a lot of time there, so I would get ready to deal with it. The first thing you will want to do is open this place. Now, you shouldnt unlock this before the other steps, but rather work on this while doing the other steps.

How you open it is by collecting all 16 treasure maps. You get a treasure map each time you kill, or steal, it from a Pirate Captain. There are 16 different types. When you get a map, equip it on someone! They dont need to come out of the panel, so just give them to someone you dont use, as the maps dont give you anything.

The reason you want to equip the maps is so you raise the chance of pirates appearing. For this reason you want to spend 1-3 turns on a level before going down to the next. If you dont they will never show up. These guys get a bit strong at the end, the Z Pirates have stats in the 10Ks. While later they will be wimps, at this level they might own you.

After you get all the maps, thats it. Unequip them and put them in storage.

2) Get legendary rank 39 items. Mainly an Excalibur. Why the sword? Winged Slayer. The best 3x3 attack that everyone can use. It has no element and will help you a lot when you want to level later. Plus Yukimaru is good with a sword and everyone loves her, zam.

I dont feel like listing every single rank 39 item, but just grab as many legendary items as you can. Oh and only get legendary from now on. All others are trash and shouldnt be used.

3) Make a Mothman. Why a mothman? Simple, it has a great move range and can fly through stuff. For this reason it makes a really good portal runner. Just give it some upgraded shoes and enjoy the movement you get. Mine has 21 right now, its rather nice.

4) Max out your felonies. Ah yes, another thing to do while doing everything else. Make sure you enter the gates with a tower so you can get 9 characters at a time maxing out. Use whatever means you want to keep track of how many people have, they max out at 300, but you can only see up to 99 on the portrait. You DO NOT need to reincarnate them for this bonus to stack up.

5) Get an ungodly strong character for this point. Quick and dirty method, level 9999 Nekomata. If you dont feel like doing this becuase its "cheating" then you are a fool and will enjoy extending this process even longer. Adding like 50 hours onto this process is a bit long. I beat the game before doing this, so I had no problem with having a level 9999 around. And if you still think its cheating and you havent beat the game, well then, DONT USE THE NEKO FOR STORY LEVELS.

Simple.

6) Get some good equipment for said Neko. Lets be honest, equipment makes a character at this stage, not levels. Sure the levels help and all, but trust me, its equipment. So go out there and get some Infernal Armor and some monster weapons. Satan's Motor is the rank 39 one I believe. Oh yeah it is, I just remembered the name of the rank 40.

Lets take a break and look at this. You dont even have the weapon you will work on yet, nor are you close to it. This is long you know.

7) Build counter weapons. Another thing to level up while you try to get all those maps, taking awhile isnt it? Get a legendary sword and monster weapon. Rank doesnt matter, any old weapon will do, as long as its legendary. Then just pass three counter proposals and youre done with them, for now anyway.

Oh and added onto the Mothman part, you will want to level up some Angle Sandels with three movement bills so you can get 15 extra move from them. And from now on, all items I mention are just assumed to be legendary, I dont feel like typing that out anymore.

8)If by this point you still dont have all those pirates, you are either A: very unlucky or B: you arent going into legendary items. You HAVE to use legendaries for this. Some spawn on floors 61+ only. If you have just been unlucky, then there isnt much else to say other than: get back in there. Honestly, getting those maps will test you in ways nothing else will. Opening the area is in some ways the hardest part.

I would suggest trying to steal more items while you level up some armor and weapons. Infernal Armor is always a good choice as you will be using it for a long time to come. Dont worry about making them perfect, you can always get more of them.

Oh yeah almost forgot. At this point you want to take that Excalibur you picked up to level 99 and then exit. Dont go into it anymore, just leave it alone until later.

9) This is later. the LoC is open now and its time for you to see the face of what you will be fighting! Save your game now as chances are you will die a horribly death at the hands of the Item God2.

OK, you have saved and have no regrets. Good, go into that Excalibur oh and dont be scared of the average level of the monsters inside, yes I know it says 8499+, but you have a level 9999 Neko with some at least half decent equipment, you should be fine...

Pary you can run tot he exit with your mothman and prepare for something that will cause you to reset a lot. First of all, now is the time to decide how hardcore you want to be with making a perfect character. If you want to be really hardcore, then you need to steal a Yoshitsuna with a rarity of 0. Why 0? Simple it matches up with items you gain through skipping story events. If you skip a story scene the item you get will always have a rarity of 0.

I hope you know what matching rarity does...Anyway, you will need a lot of jump to even get up to where the guy is. Once up there you will notice how strong he is. Stats will average about 150K. Your first goal should be stealing that sword. After all, its what you came here to get. Steal it however you can and then win the level. The best way is to kill the Item God, but if you can do it then just leave the level after you get the sword.

Do note that the Excalibur will be stronger if you beat him and you will want it to be good.

10) I hope you have a lot of Gencies, because you will need them. Now that you have said Yoshi, you will want to level it up. First things first, you need to get all the correct specialists onto the weapon. These being Gladiators. I have forgotten the sword that they spawn on, but you will need 8 of them.

Your first task is to clear all the specialists off the weapon. If it has some glads, greats subdue and leave them on. If not, then clear off everything. What you will want is to fill up every slot on the item with galds. DO NOT COMBINE THEM. You just want the slots filled with them, their strength doesnt matter AT ALL.

How you clear them off is simple, save, then go in. If there isnt a specialist there, reset. By reset I mean go to quit and just reload your game, not reset the system. If there is, kill it and exit. Repeat until all are gone and you have all your glads on it. Yes I know you have two left over, they will go on later.

11) Now, you want to get a Mystery Gate on floor 1. So keep up with the reseting until you get one. Now, the gate you are looking for is one with seven monsters that you have to kill in two turns, or the old man. Kill the monsters and the item gains three levels. The old man can either take 10 or 3 levels or he can give you 3 or 10 levels. You will need to get more Great Lucks in order to get to level 200, so you could get one out of the way right now without having to use an exit.

Gates can only appear every three levels, so after seeing this one on floor 1 you wait until floor 4 to see the next one. This is where you have to decide how you want to go through the item. You can either exit at floor 3 and be safe, or exit on floor 4 and take a risk.

Floor 3 allows you to reset if there is no gate on 4, or if the gate isnt what you wanted. The downside is that you have to go down a floor everytime you reset.

On the other hand floor 4 makes resetting faster, but you run a risk. If there is no gate on 4 when you get there, great, exit save and reset. From this point you just get your levels and go down to the next gate.

If there is a gate however, you are a bit screwed. Why you ask? Well think of it this way. You just came from floor 1 which leveled your weapon. You have not saved yet. So if you reset you will have to start all over again from level 1.

You will be really lucky if there is a gate and its seven monsters. YOu just saved yourself a lot of time and an exit. On the other hand if its the old man you run an extreme risk. If he gives you bad luck, you are screwed. You can not EVER get bad luck ONCE. So the choice is yours. Talk to him or not.

If there is a gate and it didnt help you, you now have to wait three floor before you can see another, but wait you cant go down further until you see a gate. Mystery Rooms are carried across items. What I mean by that is that if you enter a different item and go down three floors and dont see a gate, then it can show up again in the Yoshi.

Which one you use if your opinion, but I used the floor 4 method.

12) Double Kill all bosses. Whats a double kill? Every 10 floors is a boss, you know this. When you first arrive on floor 10, kill the General and leave. DO NOT clear the level. Save and re-enter. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT YOU SAVE ON FLOOR 10! Kill the General again and clear the level for your exit. YOu have to double kill EVERY boss in the item to get the most stats.

When you kill an Item King, floor 30, the item gains another specialist spot. After the first kill put the 7th glad on and then the 8th after the second kill. After floor 30 the item should be just about ready to "speed" level.

13) On floors 10, 20 and 30 you have to make sure you save after you kill the boss the first time. This is because you will need to reset a lot here. The reason why is you need to see the Assembly Chicken. It shows up randomly with the Innocent Town. If there is no town, reset. If there is a town, but no chicken, reset.

When you finally get your chicken, you will want to pass the More Attack bill. The one at the bottom that increases attack growth by a lot. You can only pass three bills and only once every 10 floors, so thats why you need to do it on floors 10, 20 and 30.

14) From this point on its smooth sailing until you hit level 99. As you work your way down, keeping up with the gates of course, you will want to keep an eye on the level. By floor 99 you will want it to be at most two levels off. Those two levels being for clearing 99 and 100. Personally, I wouldnt wait this long as leveling will get REALLY annoying at this point.

So by about floor 80 just do a little math and see if you will make 200.

15) Maybe I should have mentioned this before, but unless you are insane, dont go into the IW in the LoC. You dont gain more stats for leveling items there. The only reason to go there is for level 100, which is where we are now on our Yoshi!

Yes, you do have to double kill the Item God! And yes, you do need to steal another Yoshi from him! Enjoy!

Well, that should pretty much cover it. I think I got everything you need to get a perfect weapon on there. As well as some things to get out of the way while you level it. Yes, this does take a long time, but half the steps you only have to do once and then never again. Oh and this was all posted off the top of my head, enjoy!

Posted by: Kazuma Jun 21 2007, 05:13 PM
Wow, that's a lot. It will be even longer for me considering my wanting to control things at a distance migrated into the way I play Disgaea sort of. I ended up raising Rozalin's HIT and raising my Skulls and Mages.

Oh well, I did get a start on raising some sword users' attacks.

Posted by: Ryuu Jun 23 2007, 01:59 AM
What all was used to get 21 movement on your Mothman?

Posted by: Omega2042 Jun 23 2007, 02:42 AM
First I passed the Movement Up bill. Then I got two legendary Angel Sandels and an Accelrator. Then I went into each one of those items and passed the Movement Up bill three times.

Posted by: Kazuma Jun 26 2007, 07:23 PM
I'm about to throw my playstation into a wall and burn my memory card. Just out of the blue, my data won't load. I will probably just quit this game. I don't know what caused it either. So, before I go berserk on those defenseless inanimate objects, Ima ask for some help. Any ideas as to what happened? I think it might be data corruption, but I don't know for sure.

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