Wolf steel case ammo in MPAs?

Hey all,
New here, also new to my MPA10/45acp.

Wondering if my MPA will digest Wolf steel case ammo?
Not a fan of the steel case but the price is right.

it's priced right for a reason....if it were mine ,i would stay with brass...steel is hard on ejectors, extractors, and the chamber it's self...the poly/laquer coatings can't be good, normal cleaners may or may not get rid of build up...i have to much respect for my guns to run wolf...with one exception, my ak, therefore commie ammo for commie guns...just my 2 cents...gpr

well said and you're right.

I had a Springfield 1911 and I had to replace the extractor after a case of Wolf.
I haven't used it since then but with ammo prices thought I'd ask.

Thanks.

I have to disagree 100%. Do you have proof or are you just theorizing? How could a steel casing be tougher on a gun than brass? Lol that makes no sense. The steel is much softer and gentle on a chamber. If an extractor needed to be replaced, then it needed to be replaced regardless of what type of ammo you were shooting. Tons of us have used thousands of rounds of Wolf in ARs, AKs, SKSs, and Macs without a single problem.

Why cant the polymer coating be good? All current Wolf ammo uses the polymer and not any lacquer whatsoever. It keeps the round moisture resistant. After thousands of rounds it can build up, but any cleaner on the market cuts it. I hope you wouldn't go thousands of rounds without cleaning anyway. No reason to make up stuff like "normal cleaners may or may not get rid of build up" lol. That is pure bunk from someone who has never shot Wolf. It is just theorizing a lie. All normal cleaners work perfectly fine.

Here is the truth about Wolf. It is reliable, inexpensive, and great target/plinking ammo. There is no scientific data showing it hurts your gun or anything like that. Those are just theories of gun snobs who dont want to use it. My MPA10 loves it with no problem just as most guns do.

Brass is softer than steel Digger.

Yes the laquer issue isn't the problem it used to be.

The steel is harder on weaker extractors like the kind in ARs.

i don't think there have been any scientific studies to show the results from standing in front of a freight train, but i still don't want to do it...unless parts are made to those hardened specs, steel banging on steel, something is going to give....to save a couple of dollars i choose not to suject my guns to it...my commie guns are excempt....i have several keltecs, they say not to use steel or even aluminum...gpr

I don't really shoot any steel case ammo but here is my thoughts on it. A new barrel for an MPA is like $30. I don't know the costs on the extractor ejector but lets pretend the whole setup is like $50. If the cost difference of the amount of rounds of steel you would have to shoot to wear out these parts and the cost of the same amount of brass is more than $50, it is worth it to shoot the steel. I would assume it would take several thousand rounds to wear any parts out, so my assumption is that it is worth it to shoot steel.

That being said, I just reload so I save money and I keep my guns happy.

i know you are going to say POS Keltec....but i'm sure they are not the only manufactor with this policy...gpr

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I'm new here so I'll start by saying hi to all. the steel case ammo argument has got to be as big as AR v. AK, but I will give my two cents (about all it's worth)hahaha I have shot wolf ammo in my guns for years no failures 5-6k in an AR, 3k in a para ord p14 without any issues of coarse the AK digests it well also. the steel that the cases are made from is softer then most brass check it your self using an auto center punch(empty case of course) since the lacquer has not been used for some time it is a better ammo then most "white box ammo" just don't reload it.I've been using it on an RPB obs 9mm for a while no real concerns there. but as everything goes it is my opinion

That doesn't surprise me, but I've just never heard that before.

That doesn't surprise me, but I've just never heard that before.

It is 100% true that Wolf steel is softer, and what I stated earlier in this thread. It is truly a gun snob issue and not a performance issue. 99% of those who bash Wolf do it all on theory and not usage. But you cannot convince anyone who believes their theories are correct yet never tested them.

It is very similar to the dry fire issue. Dry firing a new firearm causes no damage whatsoever, but many shooters will claim it is the worst thing in the world based on old wives fables. For some reason just because the CZ52 had a horribly cheap steel firing pic that would snap when dry fired, that has to apply to all pistols. Nobody ever mentions that you can buy a quality steel firing pin that won't snap.

Wolf will not hurt your Mac in anyway. Go test an enjoy it.

For the record, brass is softer than almost all grades of steel. But in the comparison between brass and steel used in cases, brass is much softer and more foregiving. It tends to form to the shape of the ID of the chamber much better than steel rounds.

With respect to an MPA. don't worry about the barrel. The chamber in an MPA weapons is configured for a sub machine gun design. THere is 1.5 degrees of taper on each side of the chamber from bottom to top. Thats why a round is a little loose in the chamber as compared to a 1911 or other design. At the high rate of fire on a SMG and on an MPA weapon (ie. bump firing), the gun has less of a tendancy to jam.

Thats one of the reasons why MPA's don't jam.

But that additional clearance on the sides of the chamber provides a smoother transition of the case in and out of the chamber during firing. Which equates to less wear - whether your firing brass or steel.

On a 45 barrel, the wall thickness on the chamber is very healthy. Steel cases used by wolf and other low cost ammo will not damage the chamber. Maybe after 10's of thousands of rounds, you would see wear, but the same goes with brass.

Not sure about premature extractor wear. But if it does wear out, just spend the $15-20 and buy another one from MPA. Its easy to replace.

Keep using the wolf, as long as it does not have laquer finish, you should be fine.

But the key is to just keep shooting my friend.