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 Facts about apparitions
zombie444
Posted: Jun 25 2012, 02:22 PM


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A collectively perceived apparition of a dead man
As a carefully verified case in which a number of people, at the same time, perceived the apparition of a man known to be dead, let us consider the following:

In June 1931, Samuel Bull, by occupation a chimney-sweep, died in his cottage in Ramsbury, Wilts., England. His aged widow continued to live in the same cottage with a grandson, James Bull, twenty-one years of age. In August 1931, a daughter, Mrs. Edwards, gave up her own home and came with her husband and five children to live with the widow for the purpose of looking after her.

Some time in or after February 1932, Mrs. Edwards saw the deceased man ascend the stairs and pass through a closed door into the room, then unused, in which he had died. Almost immediately after Mrs. Edwards saw the apparition, James Bull also saw it. Later all the members of the family together observed it. Even the five-year-old girl recognized it as 'Grandpa Bull.' The appearances continued at frequent intervals until about 9 April. Whenever the apparition was seen, all the persons present were able to see it.

The Chaffin apparition gave information not known to any living person
The evidence in this famous case was tested in court, and the judge accepted it as the basis for his verdict:

James L. Chaffin, a farmer in North Carolina, had a wife and four sons. In 1905 he made a will leaving his property to his third son, Marshall, but leaving nothing to his widow and the three other sons. In September 1921, the old man died, and the will was probated. In 1925, the second son, James, made the following sworn statement:

'On a night during the latter part of June 1925, my father appeared at my bedside, dressed as I had often seen him in life, wearing a black overcoat which I knew to be his own.

My father's spirit took hold of his overcoat, pulled it back and said, "You will find my will in my overcoat pocket," and then disappeared.'

James made inquiries, and finally in July found his father's overcoat at the home of his brother John. He cut the stitches of the inner pocket, and found inside, not the will itself but a roll of paper with the words, 'Read the 27th Chapter of Genesis in my daddie's old Bible.' (This chapter tells how Esau was supplanted by his younger brother Jacob.)

Taking his daughter and two neighbours with him as witnesses, James Chaffin, Junior, then went to his mother's house, found the dilapidated Bible, and in the presence of the testator's widow and two other witnesses looked up the 27th Chapter of Genesis. Folded into the pages there they found a will dated 16 January, 1919, which had been made without witnesses, but which was valid by the laws of North Carolina as being in his own handwriting. This newer will divided the property equally among all the four sons, adding: 'You must all take care of your Mammy.'

At first the heirs under the old will contested the new one. But when they were shown the actual document at the trial they admitted it to be genuine, and they withdrew their opposition. Ten witnesses were prepared to swear it was in the testator's handwriting. In December, 1925, the second will was admitted to probate, and probate of the earlier will was cancelled.

So far as can be learned, James Chaffin, Senior, before his death spoken to anyone about his second will. His apparition, after death, would seem to have been the vehicle of his surviving personality, seeking to complete the righting of a wrong which he had done while still in his mortal body.

The authenticated apparition of a dying captain
The cases which have just been cited were apparitions of persons who had been dead for months or years. Let us now consider a representative case of an apparition at the moment of death:

On 3 January, 1856, Joseph Collyer was in command of the steamer Alice, which was moored alongside the levee on the Mississippi River just above New Orleans. Joseph had retired to his berth for the night. Another steamer bore down upon the moored ship, and Joseph was called. He ran on to the deck, clothed only in his nightgown. The other steamer collided with the Alice. The concussion caused the flagstaff to fall, striking Joseph's head and actually dividing the skull. This, of course, caused instant death.

On that same night, Joseph's mother, Anne E. Collyer, at her home in Camden, New Jersey, had a remarkable experience which she reported to another son in a letter dated 27 March, 1861.

'On the 3rd of January, 1856, I did not feel well, and retired to bed early. Some time after, I felt uneasy and sat up in bed; I looked around the room, and, to my utter amazement, saw Joseph standing at the door, looking at me with great earnestness, his head bandaged up, a dirty night-cap on, and a dirty white garment on, something like a surplice. He was much disfigured about the eyes and face. It made me quite uncomfortable the rest of the night. The next morning, Mary came into my room early. I told her that I was sure I was going to have bad news from Joseph. I told all the family at the breakfast table; they replied: "It was only a dream, and all nonsense," but that did not change my opinion.'

Joseph's brother, Robert H. Collyer, M.D., who lived in London, reported in a letter dated 15 April, 1861, that he had obtained the details about Joseph's death from another brother, William, 'who was on the spot at the time of the accident.' In October 1857, Robert visited the United States, and learned from his mother about her experience. Her account was corroborated to him at that time by his father and his four sisters. On 12 May, 1884, one of the surviving sisters wrote a letter of corroboration.

Dr. Collyer stated that his father, who was a scientific man, calculated the difference of longitude between Camden and New Orleans, and found that the apparition occurred at the exact time of Joseph's death.

His mother had never seen Joseph attired as his apparition appeared to be. One curious fact is that the bandaging of the head did not take place until hours after the accident. William told Robert that Joseph's head was nearly cut in two by the blow, and that his face was dreadfully disfigured, and the nightdress much soiled.


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Duck
Posted: Jun 25 2012, 04:17 PM


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Facts?

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OMGBanana
Posted: Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM


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its certainly interesting that everyone saw it and recognised it to be samuel bull.
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Fells
Posted: Jun 26 2012, 10:47 PM


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QUOTE (OMGBanana @ Jun 25 2012, 04:42 PM)
its certainly interesting that everyone saw it and recognised it to be bull.

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Yet another 100yo story we are being asked to accept at face value. I don't.
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OMGBanana
Posted: Jun 26 2012, 10:53 PM


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lol pjr-laugh.png stop changing my quotes tongue.gif

you are right in that its just anecdotal evidence by people who are probably not alive today, and even if some witnesses are still alive today, they would be ancient and it happened so long ago they might not remember it properly.

but if it did happen as described, what explanation would you give to more than one person seeing a ghost at the same time, or a ghost giving information such as that their will was in their coat pocket, and that turning out to be true
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Posted: Jun 26 2012, 10:59 PM


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QUOTE (OMGBanana @ Jun 26 2012, 10:53 PM)
lol pjr-laugh.png stop changing my quotes tongue.gif

you are right in that its just anecdotal evidence by people who are probably not alive today, and even if some witnesses are still alive today, they would be ancient and it happened so long ago they might not remember it properly.

but if it did happen as described, what explanation would you give to more than one person seeing a ghost at the same time, or a ghost giving information such as that their will was in their coat pocket, and that turning out to be true

Couldn't resist it, it was a sitter!

I have no reason to accept that it did happen as reported (that would mean suspending the laws of nature because of an anecdote), so the question is moot.
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zombie444
Posted: Jun 27 2012, 03:28 AM


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what are the laws of nature?
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Posted: Jun 27 2012, 09:19 AM


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QUOTE (zombie444 @ Jun 27 2012, 03:28 AM)
what are the laws of nature?

Don't walk on the grass. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (zombie444 @ Jun 27 2012, 03:28 AM)
what are the laws of nature?

Read a proper science book and learn something wonderful and real.
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