What is the truth?

Here's a link on the subject of Michael Roll and Ron Pearson's experiments and thoughts on continuing life and why the world leaders don't want us to know the truth.


http://www.redicecreations.com/specialrepo...afterdeath.html


Here's a taster

By Michael Roll | Rense.com


Sir William Crookes, 1832-1919
There is a very good reason why the religionists and their powerful materialistic allies are fighting like tigers to destroy the secular scientific case for survival after death.

This is because whenever we speak to people who once lived on Earth and are now living in the normally invisible part of the universe, the message is always the same via mediums, it never varies:

"There is no place here just reserved for Christians or anybody else, we all survive the death of our physical bodies."

This is desperately bad news for the professional priests, they know only too well that they will lose their power over the minds of people if the scientific proof of survival ever reaches mainstream media and educational outlets. All the crazy religious killing will come to an end when people eventually find out they are fighting over nothing whatsoever apart from mythology gone completely mad.

hose scientists who have been fanatically following Einstein and the Vatican's ridiculous big bang theory will be made to look silly, and this is one thing that intellectuals and academics hate more than anything - being proved wrong. Hence this alliance of religionists and materialists against uncomfortable discoveries in physics - the scientific discovery of the so-called spirit world.

These 'experts' are fighting for their very existence against a huge tide of truth. Scientific teaching across every discipline, including psychology and philosophy, starts from the false base that the mind and brain are the same, that death is the end of everything.

This suits all the priests perfectly as it makes their supernatural absurdities the only alternative and it keeps their lucrative monopoly on the vast life after death industry. Keep the masses in ignorance is the name of the establishment game, just the same as it has been for thousands of years.

Seriously

It's a shame no one funded the project

I'm sure the money was spent on more worthwhile research.

If he's so confident why not pay for the experiments on credit, then pay it off when he wins Randi's million, as he surely must do?

Not important? for many materialistic people that are convinced that this is the be all all and end all,despite strong evidence, after death the discovery of an afterlife could be a major traumatic shock,and they may well decend into the lower dark realms of the afterlife.

A video gif speaks a thousand words

the truth is, we dont know.

in the article it refers to it as "The secular scientific case for survival after death", but i dont think its scientific because the big bang theory is not rediculous, there is scientific evidence to back it up.

they also dont understand sceptics at all. they assume that they dont want to know and desperately want there to be no afterlife, which isnt true for any of the sceptics that i have ever met. that shows bias, which is not good for an investigation.

all it proves is that sometimes science is wrong and we make new discoveries that discredit the old ones. thats because science is about discovering new things.

And its almost 100 years old, I think that makes it one of the oldest conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats for everyone!




Crooks, you were deluded but genuinely amusing in your rants. He'd have loved Zammit today.

well actually there is an afterlife and its very more real than this largely illusoinary world

No more stupid gifs

I think much of humanity has completely lost its way. It lives within to rigid a frame in some respects. It's all the wonder of the planets and what goes with it. Which is all when and good but for me I can't lose sight of the other things in life, which is the strong likely hood that we live in a shell called the human body.

William Crookes was a master of thought and science of his time - ahead of his time. Today there are still men of deep thought and science who are believing there's more than our bodily life. And it makes sense in what they say about the world not wanting to accept it's so. If it was declared life would change drastically - the powers that be would lose their power. The churches would probably crumble.

The ego would no longer be needed

Intelligent people believing there's more than "bodily life" is one thing, providing good evidence to support the belief is another thing all together.

Until such time as good evidence arises, championing the views of intelligent believers as evidence is nothing but an appeal to authority.

Michael Roll has been banging the "we are so close to proving the afterlife" drum for nigh on 10 years. Perhaps he should have defined "so close"! As for Crookes, well, he died before providing any tangible evidence and has delivered about as much since. Speaks volumes!

Actually, Kayls, I genuinely hope there is no eternal afterlife. Try to imagine existing for an infinite length of time - without end, without any escape regardless of how miserable your are. Imagine existing to see the world you came from be swallowed and destroyed by the dying sun, then for the galaxy to be consumed by Andromeda. Imagine surviving long enough to witness the end of known universe or the moving to darkness as universal bodies drift away under entropy. Then imagine that darkness forever. No matter how long you have survived you are no nearer to the end and never will be.

A prisoner in the badly thought-out vision of paradise by a lazy or incompetent creator. That's what hope in the existence of an afterlife is. A more miserable and desperate vision is difficult to imagine.

William Crookes fought society to listen and accept what he had found to be true, but he couldn't break the barrier of religion and govenments. Which is just the same today, as I said earlier. The world has to change vastly before those in power will admit what could be the truth. Look at it logically - religion and government dictate our lives - completely. Either one or the other or both. They'd lose their power. Both dictate what we can and can't know. It's not in their best interests, is it?

The thought of eternal life in the way we know it and how we comprehend it would be horrendous - I agree. But from what I have read and learnt we'll be in a different sphere when we get rid of our body. What the planets do will have no affect on us. Our existance will be out of our comprehension as we think now.

i meant more hating the idea of an afterlife so much that theyre deliberately hiding evidence and denying it even if it was completely proved. i know there are some people who hope there isnt an afterlife. it just kinda came out wrong.

i dont think anyone can really say the afterlife is more real than this world though zombie. even if it is real, this world definetly is real, not some kind of waiting room for heaven for us all to wait to die and have a real life.

I don't know whether there's an afterlife or not, but I have no trouble imagining a different existence than the one we're experiencing now. We live our lives trapped within a lump of meat. We're governed, physically, by the limitations of our biological bodies. There are so many things we can't do. We can't even move very far from the surface of the planet without some sort of mechanical help. Imagine if we could shoot off to other planets just by thinking of it. We can do that now, I suppose, by using our imaginations, but just think what it would be like if we could just think it/do it. Imagine a life with no pain from aching muscles or illness. If the afterlife is anything like I imagine it to be, all I can say is 'wow'.

As far as church and political intervention is concerned - again, I don't know - but I've often wondered what would happen if there was ever conclusive proof of life after death. I can't imagine the human race would just shrug and go on about their business. Some would, of course, but generally it would be the biggest thing ever to his us ... wouldn't it?

I don't buy the argument at all. Attitudes to afterlife from authority are as they are because of the lack of tangible proof.

Religion have nothing to fear because despite what people learn, they still will believe what they want to believe; it is human nature.

Governments are there because we want them to be, not because they have some kind of divine power to be. Governments are you and me.

I can't agree, Rusty, apart from people will believe what they want to believe - at least initially.

If we were shown proof via tv and the news was blasted the world over I can't see attitudes remaining the same. It could be chaos in some areas. The fanatical religionists would find it hard to accept. That would range from the ones who genuinely believe to the ones who use it as an excuse to harm.

Politicians would struggle to keep control. I think for some areas it would be bad before it got good. But I wouldn't see it as staying the same. Life would have a different purpose.

We'd still have governments but it'd have to change tack.