Oiuja video clips, 26/4/12

I agree it was more than likely the glass moving but if it was the cats how did they manage to get the glass back into its original position after they knocked it.?

Remind me again why comparing Unicorns to ghosts is ludicrous?

I agree it was more than likely the glass moving but if it was the cats how did they manage to get the glass back into its original position after they knocked it.?

Well there is only a small edge to the glass which means the glass could only be pushed an inch or so. If one of the cats was pawing the edge, moved it, then pawed along the other edge (looking for a reflection that moved with the glass?) that would account for it moving so accurately as the scope for movement is limited. I just looked at that as a possibility and tried it myself, it seems to mimic the movement but I can demonstrate tomorrow for everyone I doubt brackie or Ellie will cooperate so i'll do it myself.

A word to the uniformed,There is ample evidence for the existence of ghosts,no evidence for invisible unicorns..and what are you trying to achieve through your experiments,find evidence for ghosts or invisible unicorns?

Ok, thanks Duck. Sounds good!

Though as I keep saying you said the cats were with you the first time it moved so it couldn't have been them then. Could be the glass problem though.

We can go round and round on the KF Planchette gate incident. All we can do is put better controls in to eliminate those things, simple things but crucial in our bid to answer these things.

Ok

What am I trying to achieve? Just a little critical thinking. I'll leave the Unicorns and ghosts to prove themselves. I find when people go into these things with an extraordinary expectation, they usually find a way to make it happen.

Bring on another hunt for invisible unicorns And keep in mind that they speak

That seems about as reasonable as invisible dead people.

Moving floor boards/joists is a plausible explanation - standing on one end of a floor board (even if it spans a different room) would cause a pivot point slightly raising the area where the ouija was set up. Stepping off that board would return it to the same position allowing movement in the opposite direction (the original staring point). The glass planchette has very low friction so would not take much force to move it.

I would have gone with that except did Duck not go all over his house thumping around on the floorboards ect and did we not all say the planchette never moved when he did that?

That assumes he went to the exact same places with the same atmospheric conditions (heat, humidity etc).

Either way it's moot. As Duck said, we can round in circles on this. The only way to rule out floorboards etc is to take them out of the equation all together. It is the only way to properly control that element.

Duck, if your floorboards are THIS dodgy, I'd get a carpenter in soon! Looks like your house might be falling appart at the seams!

What we have here is an example of the difference between armature and professional investigation. If it isn't done right, then questions remain unanswered.

I haven't kept up to date, but have we actually ascertained (proved) whether the planchette moved over the glass yet?

No,we haven't. It's impossible to tell from looking at the video - either recorded or watched 'live'. Most likely is the glass moving relative to the board and the planchette remaining still relative to the glass.

I don't have a problem with the 'amateur vs professional' investigation. In a sense there's no such thing as a professional investigation (other that people being paid to do much the same thing). In either case you have to have some activity to investigate and you don't know exactly what that activity will be, ab initio, in order to have all the relevant controls in place.

In any case, we have what we have. Provided Duck is willing to repeat the experiment with different controls added to rule out possibilities then it is an interesting exercise IMO.

What Baldrick said.

Am looking forward to tonight.I will be observing only.

Just put a little temporary sticker or Post-it on the glass. If the glass moves, so will the sticker.

The point about pro/am experiments, is that professionals would be obliged to carry out to a professional standard. They need to prove what moves when and mitigate external influence.