National Herbal Medicine Week, fallacies and hazards

GLARING logical fallacies included in this piece.

Appeal to nature: Natural does not mean safe. That is a misconception about herbal medicine that is far too prevalent.

Appeal to antiquity: Just because it has been used for a long time doesn’t mean it’s safe or effective. Placebo has ALWAYS been useful. In many cases, we are simply seeing a placebo effect, nothing beyond that.

Here is how drugs are derived from nature: When potent natural substances are discovered, drug companies try to isolate and synthesize the active chemical in order to provide a reliable supply. They also attempt to make derivatives that are more potent, more predictable, and have fewer side effects.

Therefore, if it works, it’s already out there or in the process of getting out there through trials that attempt to demonstrate the substance is effective and safe. Many people are sickened every year due to use of herbal and other unregulated substances because we don’t know what or how much of substances are in them, if they contain allergens or toxic compounds. Taking herbal meds can be dangerous and interfere with prescription drugs or interact with other substances. Beware.

Recently i tried 'st john's wort' for ten days and discovered i could no longer tolerate alcohol and it was a real effect

That would fit with your general level of suggestibility.

Actually it took be by complete surprise,had no idea that it would have that effect whatsoever..The efficacy of SJW has been proven in a number of clinical trials.

And if it's down to the the placebo affect it failed big time,not the slightest hint of the desired effect i was partially expecting,explain that?

There you go. That's the BMJ. You should never use anything like this without professional medical advice though.
http://www.bmj.com/content/313/7052/253.fu...ll&pmid=8704532

There you go what? That study is correlating the effectiveness of it as an antidepressant, My quote was about the side effects being the same as a placebo, nodding toward Zombies claim that SJW caused him to have an intolerance to alcohol which it did 'as a placebo' again nodding toward his general level of suggestibility. Stage Hypnotists would love him.

Just for clarity

NOTHING LIKE IT

This post has been edited by Les on May 6 2012, 06:43 AM

Ducky i swear you are insane.

NOTHING LIKE IT

OK - I is close to U on a keyboard, so is this a typo or have you actually just called Duck a "D*CK"?



This post has been edited by Les on May 6 2012, 06:42 AM

why .what are going to do about it

This post has been edited by Les on May 6 2012, 06:42 AM

There you go, this

It was relevant to Zombie's post.

Zombie, please don't PM me with insults.

There you go, this

It was relevant to Zombie's post.

Was Zombie taking it for depression? And were we discussing its effectiveness in relation to other anti depressants? If not, no it wasn't relevant. An interesting side note related to SJW but it did not clarify the discussion, in fact quite the opposite.

Okay.

Ok that's me in a better mood now

if the st johns wort affects tolerance to alcohol, maybe it would be better to not get drunk while taking it.

...or if this mornings little performance by someone is anything to go by, stop drinking all together??

Indeed, he managed a full-blown astoundingly abusive argument with me via pm without me being there. I doubt the SJW can be blamed though, stupidity is not a side effect, placebo or not.

SJW is supposedly good for treating depression, nervous disorders and bedwetting. Which were trying to treat?