Title: National Herbal Medicine Week
Description: fallacies and hazards
Duck - May 5, 2012 06:25 PM (GMT)
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National Herbal Medicine Week Established to Celebrate the Safe and Effective Practice of Herbal Therapies for Thousands of Years
The National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM®) and the American Association for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (AAAOM) are pleased to join in the promotion of National Herbal Medicine Week from May 1-7, 2012 sponsored by the AAAOM, in recognition of the diversity of all ancient and modern herbal traditions worldwide. National Herbal Medicine Week is a time of year when practitioners, consumers, and organizational leaders join in the opportunity to share their knowledge and highlight the strength of this gentle and effective treatment. As one of the first medicines used to treat ailments, herbal medicine continues to be used safely and effectively by many fully trained practitioners world-wide for a variety of conditions, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). Herbal medicine practitioners combine the best of modern science and thousands of years of clinical effectiveness to help patients relieve many health conditions.
National Herbal Medicine Week is an opportunity to encourage dialogue to dispel any misconceptions about herbal medicine as well as explore the many benefits of this time-proven and effective medicine,” stated AAAOM President Michael Jabbour.
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GLARING logical fallacies included in this piece.
Appeal to nature: Natural does not mean safe. That is a misconception about herbal medicine that is far too prevalent.
Appeal to antiquity: Just because it has been used for a long time doesn’t mean it’s safe or effective. Placebo has ALWAYS been useful. In many cases, we are simply seeing a placebo effect, nothing beyond that.
Here is how drugs are derived from nature: When potent natural substances are discovered, drug companies try to isolate and synthesize the active chemical in order to provide a reliable supply. They also attempt to make derivatives that are more potent, more predictable, and have fewer side effects.
Therefore, if it works, it’s already out there or in the process of getting out there through trials that attempt to demonstrate the substance is effective and safe. Many people are sickened every year due to use of herbal and other unregulated substances because we don’t know what or how much of substances are in them, if they contain allergens or toxic compounds. Taking herbal meds can be dangerous and interfere with prescription drugs or interact with other substances. Beware.
zombie444 - May 5, 2012 06:50 PM (GMT)
Recently i tried 'st john's wort' for ten days and discovered i could no longer tolerate alcohol and it was a real effect Shockhorror
Duck - May 5, 2012 08:48 PM (GMT)
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Adverse effects and drug interactions
St John's wort is generally well tolerated, with an adverse effect profile similar to placebo.
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That would fit with your general level of suggestibility.
zombie444 - May 5, 2012 09:04 PM (GMT)
Actually it took be by complete surprise,had no idea that it would have that effect whatsoever..The efficacy of SJW has been proven in a number of clinical trials.
zombie444 - May 5, 2012 09:09 PM (GMT)
And if it's down to the the placebo affect it failed big time,not the slightest hint of the desired effect i was partially expecting,explain that?
Les - May 5, 2012 09:14 PM (GMT)
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There is evidence from randomised trials that such extracts are more effective than placebo for the treatment of depressive disorders, but it is not known whether they are more effective for certain disorders than others
Current evidence is inadequate to establish whether hypericum is as effective as other antidepressants and if it has fewer side effects
Additional trials should be conducted to compare hypericum with other antidepressants in well defined groups of patients; to investigate long term side effects; and to evaluate the relative efficacy of different preparations and doses |
There you go. That's the BMJ.
You should never use anything like this without professional medical advice though. http://www.bmj.com/content/313/7052/253.fu...ll&pmid=8704532 Duck - May 5, 2012 09:50 PM (GMT)
There you go what? That study is correlating the effectiveness of it as an antidepressant, My quote was about the side effects being the same as a placebo, nodding toward Zombies claim that SJW caused him to have an intolerance to alcohol which it did 'as a placebo' again nodding toward his general level of suggestibility. Stage Hypnotists would love him.
Just for clarity
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St John's wort is generally well tolerated,with an adverse effect profile similar to placebo.
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zombie444 - May 6, 2012 03:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Duck @ May 5 2012, 09:50 PM) |
There you go what? That study is correlating the effectiveness of it as an antidepressant, My quote was about the side effects being the same as a placebo, nodding toward Zombies claim that SJW caused him to have an intolerance to alcohol which it did 'as a placebo' again nodding toward his general level of suggestibility. Stage Hypnotists would love him.
Just for clarity
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St John's wort is generally well tolerated,with an adverse effect profile similar to placebo.
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NOTHING LIKE IT
zombie444 - May 6, 2012 05:13 AM (GMT)
Ducky i swear you are insane. P-arty
Tomdog - May 6, 2012 05:16 AM (GMT)
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| QUOTE (Duck @ May 5 2012, 09:50 PM) | There you go what? That study is correlating the effectiveness of it as an antidepressant, My quote was about the side effects being the same as a placebo, nodding toward Zombies claim that SJW caused him to have an intolerance to alcohol which it did 'as a placebo' again nodding toward his general level of suggestibility. Stage Hypnotists would love him.
Just for clarity
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St John's wort is generally well tolerated,with an adverse effect profile similar to placebo.
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NOTHING LIKE IT
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OK - I is close to U on a keyboard, so is this a typo or have you actually just called Duck a "D*CK"?
zombie444 - May 6, 2012 06:39 AM (GMT)
why .what are going to do about it Laughing man
Les - May 6, 2012 07:13 AM (GMT)
There you go, this
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| such extracts are more effective than placebo |
It was relevant to Zombie's post.
Tomdog - May 6, 2012 07:23 AM (GMT)
Zombie, please don't PM me with insults.
Duck - May 6, 2012 08:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Les @ May 6 2012, 07:13 AM) |
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There you go, this
| QUOTE | | such extracts are more effective than placebo |
It was relevant to Zombie's post.
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Was Zombie taking it for depression? And were we discussing its effectiveness in relation to other anti depressants? If not, no it wasn't relevant. An interesting side note related to SJW but it did not clarify the discussion, in fact quite the opposite.
Les - May 6, 2012 08:28 AM (GMT)
Duck - May 6, 2012 08:37 AM (GMT)
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Ok that's me in a better mood now :lol:
OMGBanana - May 6, 2012 12:31 PM (GMT)
if the st johns wort affects tolerance to alcohol, maybe it would be better to not get drunk while taking it.
Tomdog - May 6, 2012 12:49 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (OMGBanana @ May 6 2012, 01:31 PM) |
| if the st johns wort affects tolerance to alcohol, maybe it would be better to not get drunk while taking it. |
...or if this mornings little performance by someone is anything to go by, stop drinking all together??
Duck - May 6, 2012 05:51 PM (GMT)
Indeed, he managed a full-blown astoundingly abusive argument with me via pm without me being there. :lol: I doubt the SJW can be blamed though, stupidity is not a side effect, placebo or not.
baldrick69 - May 7, 2012 04:32 PM (GMT)
SJW is supposedly good for treating depression, nervous disorders and bedwetting. Which were trying to treat?
Duck - May 7, 2012 04:51 PM (GMT)
