Here's a link on the subject of Michael Roll and Ron Pearson's experiments and thoughts on continuing life and why the world leaders don't want us to know the truth.


http://www.redicecreations.com/specialrepo...afterdeath.html


Here's a taster

By Michael Roll | Rense.com


Sir William Crookes, 1832-1919
There is a very good reason why the religionists and their powerful materialistic allies are fighting like tigers to destroy the secular scientific case for survival after death.

This is because whenever we speak to people who once lived on Earth and are now living in the normally invisible part of the universe, the message is always the same via mediums, it never varies:

"There is no place here just reserved for Christians or anybody else, we all survive the death of our physical bodies."

This is desperately bad news for the professional priests, they know only too well that they will lose their power over the minds of people if the scientific proof of survival ever reaches mainstream media and educational outlets. All the crazy religious killing will come to an end when people eventually find out they are fighting over nothing whatsoever apart from mythology gone completely mad.

hose scientists who have been fanatically following Einstein and the Vatican's ridiculous big bang theory will be made to look silly, and this is one thing that intellectuals and academics hate more than anything - being proved wrong. Hence this alliance of religionists and materialists against uncomfortable discoveries in physics - the scientific discovery of the so-called spirit world.

These 'experts' are fighting for their very existence against a huge tide of truth. Scientific teaching across every discipline, including psychology and philosophy, starts from the false base that the mind and brain are the same, that death is the end of everything.

This suits all the priests perfectly as it makes their supernatural absurdities the only alternative and it keeps their lucrative monopoly on the vast life after death industry. Keep the masses in ignorance is the name of the establishment game, just the same as it has been for thousands of years.

Seriously

It's a shame no one funded the project :(

I'm sure the money was spent on more worthwhile research.

If he's so confident why not pay for the experiments on credit, then pay it off when he wins Randi's million, as he surely must do? ;)

Not important? for many materialistic people that are convinced that this is the be all all and end all,despite strong evidence, after death the discovery of an afterlife could be a major traumatic shock,and they may well decend into the lower dark realms of the afterlife. :)

Laughing man A video gif speaks a thousand words

the truth is, we dont know.

in the article it refers to it as "The secular scientific case for survival after death", but i dont think its scientific because the big bang theory is not rediculous, there is scientific evidence to back it up.

they also dont understand sceptics at all. they assume that they dont want to know and desperately want there to be no afterlife, which isnt true for any of the sceptics that i have ever met. that shows bias, which is not good for an investigation.

all it proves is that sometimes science is wrong and we make new discoveries that discredit the old ones. thats because science is about discovering new things.

And its almost 100 years old, I think that makes it one of the oldest conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats for everyone!




Crooks, you were deluded but genuinely amusing in your rants. He'd have loved Zammit today.

well actually there is an afterlife and its very more real than this largely illusoinary world W-ave

No more stupid gifs :angry:

I think much of humanity has completely lost its way. It lives within to rigid a frame in some respects. It's all the wonder of the planets and what goes with it. Which is all when and good but for me I can't lose sight of the other things in life, which is the strong likely hood that we live in a shell called the human body.

William Crookes was a master of thought and science of his time - ahead of his time. Today there are still men of deep thought and science who are believing there's more than our bodily life. And it makes sense in what they say about the world not wanting to accept it's so. If it was declared life would change drastically - the powers that be would lose their power. The churches would probably crumble.

The ego would no longer be needed

Intelligent people believing there's more than "bodily life" is one thing, providing good evidence to support the belief is another thing all together.

Until such time as good evidence arises, championing the views of intelligent believers as evidence is nothing but an appeal to authority.

Michael Roll has been banging the "we are so close to proving the afterlife" drum for nigh on 10 years. Perhaps he should have defined "so close"! As for Crookes, well, he died before providing any tangible evidence and has delivered about as much since. Speaks volumes!

Actually, Kayls, I genuinely hope there is no eternal afterlife. Try to imagine existing for an infinite length of time - without end, without any escape regardless of how miserable your are. Imagine existing to see the world you came from be swallowed and destroyed by the dying sun, then for the galaxy to be consumed by Andromeda. Imagine surviving long enough to witness the end of known universe or the moving to darkness as universal bodies drift away under entropy. Then imagine that darkness forever. No matter how long you have survived you are no nearer to the end and never will be.

A prisoner in the badly thought-out vision of paradise by a lazy or incompetent creator. That's what hope in the existence of an afterlife is. A more miserable and desperate vision is difficult to imagine.

William Crookes fought society to listen and accept what he had found to be true, but he couldn't break the barrier of religion and govenments. Which is just the same today, as I said earlier. The world has to change vastly before those in power will admit what could be the truth. Look at it logically - religion and government dictate our lives - completely. Either one or the other or both. They'd lose their power. Both dictate what we can and can't know. It's not in their best interests, is it?

The thought of eternal life in the way we know it and how we comprehend it would be horrendous - I agree. But from what I have read and learnt we'll be in a different sphere when we get rid of our body. What the planets do will have no affect on us. Our existance will be out of our comprehension as we think now.

i meant more hating the idea of an afterlife so much that theyre deliberately hiding evidence and denying it even if it was completely proved. i know there are some people who hope there isnt an afterlife. it just kinda came out wrong.

i dont think anyone can really say the afterlife is more real than this world though zombie. even if it is real, this world definetly is real, not some kind of waiting room for heaven for us all to wait to die and have a real life.

I don't know whether there's an afterlife or not, but I have no trouble imagining a different existence than the one we're experiencing now. We live our lives trapped within a lump of meat. We're governed, physically, by the limitations of our biological bodies. There are so many things we can't do. We can't even move very far from the surface of the planet without some sort of mechanical help. Imagine if we could shoot off to other planets just by thinking of it. We can do that now, I suppose, by using our imaginations, but just think what it would be like if we could just think it/do it. Imagine a life with no pain from aching muscles or illness. If the afterlife is anything like I imagine it to be, all I can say is 'wow'.

As far as church and political intervention is concerned - again, I don't know - but I've often wondered what would happen if there was ever conclusive proof of life after death. I can't imagine the human race would just shrug and go on about their business. Some would, of course, but generally it would be the biggest thing ever to his us ... wouldn't it?

I don't buy the argument at all. Attitudes to afterlife from authority are as they are because of the lack of tangible proof.

Religion have nothing to fear because despite what people learn, they still will believe what they want to believe; it is human nature.

Governments are there because we want them to be, not because they have some kind of divine power to be. Governments are you and me.

I can't agree, Rusty, apart from people will believe what they want to believe - at least initially.

If we were shown proof via tv and the news was blasted the world over I can't see attitudes remaining the same. It could be chaos in some areas. The fanatical religionists would find it hard to accept. That would range from the ones who genuinely believe to the ones who use it as an excuse to harm.

Politicians would struggle to keep control. I think for some areas it would be bad before it got good. But I wouldn't see it as staying the same. Life would have a different purpose.

We'd still have governments but it'd have to change tack.

So Sherry, do you believe there is a conspiracy of silence perpetrated by a cabal of Government,Science and Church leaders?

How would a scientific discovery lead to the collapse of society? The breakdown of law and order?

How would the confirmation of an afterlife cause governments to lose control?

It already does. Even without scientific proof of the afterlife, people are still prepared to break laws. Just look at 9/11 as an example of that.

You'll have to explain what the scientific discovery was that directly led to a supposed collapse in society on 9/11. You'll also have to explain the total collapse of society you think occurred on 9/11, Les.

Law-breaking by the minority does not equal a total collapse in society and complete breakdown of law, order and government.

Duck
So Sherry, do you believe there is a conspiracy of silence perpetrated by a cabal of Government,Science and Church leaders?

No. But they will all have their own reasons for not wanting the major public to take it seriously. When the subject was at its height the Churches and government had major influence of what went into the papers and media. I imagine it was in their best interest for their own reasons to damn it.

Probably not so much science, but I would think the tight Church and government opinion had some control over them. And I don't see the attitudes changing today for the same reasons.

No, not a conspiracy, more a disinterest for their own best interest.

It could be argued that they don't want a cure for cancer because it would wipe out profits and pensions.

It could be argued that we didn't go to the moon.

Fells
How would a scientific discovery lead to the collapse of society? The breakdown of law and order?

How would the confirmation of an afterlife cause governments to lose control?


I think it would be a temporary collapse as the reality set in and became accepted.
The church would have some major rethinking and adapting to consider.It's people might rebel in some.

We'd still need organisations like the government. People would still be ill or die. People would still have accidents and be ill or die. Life in that repsect wouldn't change but attitudes to life and physical death would be looked and dealt with differently. It would be more openly discussed and accepted. Both sides would take serious measures to get in touch and learn from each other. I don't think there would be such greed.

So many things would change. And as I said I think it would be worse to start with as people changed their life thoughts and realised what was important.

Rusty
It could be argued that they don't want a cure for cancer because it would wipe out profits and pensions.

It could be argued that we didn't go to the moon.

That's right. And it has been argued/discussed over the years.

Please supply some examples with citations.

Why? I don't understand what would cause the breakdown? The imminent arrival of 500 launched ICBMs could cause social collapse - but the discovery of an afterlife???

Why? They have been perpetuating notions of eternal life for centuries.

What would cause the disappearance of governments following the discovery of an afterlife?

You haven't explained how or why these changes would be.

But we did actually go to the moon

That isn't what I said.
You asked

I said

My point is that a belief in an afterlife, sincerely held even without scientific proof, leads people to extreme actions.

Al Qaeda isn't a minority. The organisation operates on a worldwide scale and is political as well as religious. The whole basis is that if the operatives carry out these atrocities, whether that involves flying a plane into a building or blowing themselves up in a market place, they're guaranteed a place in the afterlife or heaven. Their present life/existence, means nothing to them.

Fells - regarding newspapers influence

I think the papers during that time were owned or ran or both by the church/government or both. I have read this several times but have not looked it up to check.

Concerning life changes
Surely the way we run our lives would change if it became absolute knowledge we lived on elsewhere. Of course it would. It would mean different things to different people. A lot to get your head around.



Sherry
The church would have some major rethinking and adapting to consider.It's people might rebel in some.


Fells
Why? They have been perpetuating notions of eternal life for centuries.

Yes - but not in the same manner.



Sherry
We'd still need organisations like the government.

Fells
What would cause the disappearance of governments following the discovery of an afterlife?

I didn't say they'd disappear. I said we'd still need them but they would need to change tack as people will rediscover their spiritual side and hopefully be more honest and caring - less ego.

Surely the only reason any of them need at the moment is that there is no good evidence to support it?

It is.

How can you have any confidence that the afterlife would come with a guarantee of love and peace? My view is, if there is an afterlife, it will have the good and bad there too.

I think it is ruled by Unicorns. Evil Unicorns that hate humans and spend their time hunting and chasing them round the afterlife with no rest...For eternity.How's that afterlife looking now? :)

I would love a medium to explain what we/the afterlife was doing for the 2.3 billion years the planet Earth was perfectly habitable for humans? Or for that matter why wait and let the Dinosaurs rule for 160 million years when we could have been on the planet "Learning our lessons"? These and other facts are always available to make the notion of an afterlife look utterly absurd and little more than ego masturbation by animals with way too much time on their hands.

It's a significant 'minority' then. There are the main al-Qaeda affiliates: al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), who carried out two attempted attacks on the US homeland within a year; al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI); al Shabaab in Somalia; al-Qaeda in Maghreb (AQIM); Lashkar-e-Taiba (operating mainly from Pakistan and was responsible for the 2008 Mumbai bombings).
Furthermore, cells and individuals that are inspired by al-Qaeda but are not formally affiliated with the larger groups are very difficult to pinpoint because of their diffuse nature and this is a serious challenge in the formulation of counterterrorism strategies.

Al Qaeda is tiny. At best a few thousand.