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zombie444 - March 11, 2012 03:04 PM (GMT)
my living room gone midnight

''the devil wants you'' ''jesus'' somthing and ''sabbath''very freaky

OMGBanana - March 11, 2012 04:34 PM (GMT)
thats kinda creepy :o

Duck - March 11, 2012 06:10 PM (GMT)
Creepier than the Japanese ghost video? w-ink

Tomdog - March 11, 2012 07:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Duck @ Mar 11 2012, 07:10 PM)
Creepier than the Japanese ghost video?  w-ink

...and I'd wager just as explainable

zombie444 - March 11, 2012 09:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tomdog @ Mar 11 2012, 07:38 PM)
QUOTE (Duck @ Mar 11 2012, 07:10 PM)
Creepier than the Japanese ghost video?  w-ink

...and I'd wager just as explainable

you would lose the bet Chortle oh sure it's natural for voices to interact with me and even say my name Shockhorror

Fells - March 18, 2012 09:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (zombie444 @ Mar 11 2012, 03:04 PM)
my living room gone midnight

''the devil wants you'' ''jesus'' somthing and ''sabbath''very freaky

You got these words, on a device that scans the radio frequencies, intermittently, catching words spoken or sung on one of thousands of radio stations. How is this paranormal? It's all the least surprising you picked out the words you did given that it was a Sunday where religious words would be more common.

Perhaps you could demonstrate that this is communication from the dead without the assistance of confirmation bias and following specific questions that would rule out the random output of various radio stations?

Tomdog - March 19, 2012 08:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fells @ Mar 18 2012, 10:52 PM)
Perhaps you could demonstrate that this is communication from the dead without the assistance of confirmation bias and following specific questions that would rule out the random output of various radio stations?

Like that's ever gonna happen! :lol:

Fells - March 19, 2012 11:24 AM (GMT)
I know it's a long shot. We have tried several tests in the past such as asking specific questions or letting people give their own interpretation of the random noises without the benefit of Zombie's own interpretation (which he always claims as proof beyond doubt due to the clarity of the words) - unfortunately, every single time controls are put in place, Zombie's evidence falls flat on its face.

Confirmation bias is a bitter pill to swallow.

However, I am here to be convinced - maybe all the times we tried a proper test were just off days.

Tomdog - March 19, 2012 02:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fells @ Mar 19 2012, 12:24 PM)
I know it's a long shot. We have tried several tests in the past such as asking specific questions or letting people give their own interpretation of the random noises without the benefit of Zombie's own interpretation (which he always claims as proof beyond doubt due to the clarity of the words) - unfortunately, every single time controls are put in place, Zombie's evidence falls flat on its face.

Confirmation bias is a bitter pill to swallow.

However, I am here to be convinced - maybe all the times we tried a proper test were just off days.

I agree. Over the years I've played several of his best recordings to friends of mine without telling them what to expect. Without prompting they just don't work.

Fells - March 19, 2012 05:13 PM (GMT)
I doubt that is coincidence either.


Duck - March 19, 2012 06:32 PM (GMT)
If only the field of paranormal research was quite as consistent as unbias observations of Zombies proof of the afterlife. :lol:

zombie444 - March 20, 2012 01:36 AM (GMT)
First of all i want to make it clear that the audio file herein is conventional evp,not ghostbox..in other words,voices captured in my house..sure, people hear different things but what the voice says is not so important..the anomaly is 'is that voices are captured with no known origin and they seem to interact with me

Fells - March 20, 2012 01:43 AM (GMT)
What have you done to ensure falsifiability?

Fells - March 20, 2012 02:07 AM (GMT)
I'll elaborate.

What have you done to counter the effects of cross modulation, reduced device tolerance, heightened noise floor, ground loop issues, ionospheric ducting, apophenia etc?

If the answer is nothing, or includes actions that will not remove the possibility of any of the above, then you don't have good evidence.

OMGBanana - March 20, 2012 02:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fells @ Mar 20 2012, 02:07 AM)
I'll elaborate.

What have you done to counter the effects of cross modulation, reduced device tolerance, heightened noise floor, ground loop issues, ionospheric ducting, apophenia etc?

If the answer is nothing, or includes actions that will not remove the possibility of any of the above, then you don't have good evidence.

for those who are less wordy (like me), what do those words mean?

zombie444 - March 20, 2012 02:21 AM (GMT)
My controls are strict..I conduct evp in the dead of the night.with only one other person in the house,sound asleep upstairs in bed. and i set my recorder to long play mode,this reduces the the sensitivity level ensuring that it doesn't pick up sounds from the outside'and i remain perfectly still or i record in my kitchen with a tap running to create white noise then return to the living room and leave it recording

Fells - March 20, 2012 02:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (OMGBanana @ Mar 20 2012, 02:19 AM)
QUOTE (Fells @ Mar 20 2012, 02:07 AM)
I'll elaborate.

What have you done to counter the effects of cross modulation, reduced device tolerance, heightened noise floor, ground loop issues, ionospheric ducting, apophenia etc?

If the answer is nothing, or includes actions that will not remove the possibility of any of the above, then you don't have good evidence.

for those who are less wordy (like me), what do those words mean?

Cross Modulation

Device tolerance refers to the limitations of cheaper equipment verses, for example, broadcast quality devices. Cheaper components can create, for example, artefacts on a recording through poor shielding.

Noise Floor

Faulty Ground Loops can cause electrical interference picked up by recording devices - a bit like feedback.

Ionospheric Ducting

Apophenia

Fells - March 20, 2012 02:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (zombie444 @ Mar 20 2012, 02:21 AM)
My controls are strict..I conduct evp in the dead of the night.with only one other person in the house,sound asleep upstairs in bed. and i set my recorder to long play mode,this reduces the the sensitivity level ensuring that it doesn't pick up sounds from the outside'and i remain perfectly still or i record in my kitchen with a tap running to create white noise then return to the living room and leave it recording

None of that controls for anything I have outlined.

For example, what tests have you conducted to ensure your digital recorder is not causing any anomalies? Have you done any comparative analysis of different recorders of varying quality - say, cheap vs expensive?

Have you checked for false positives due to the tap running? (Why would you think this creates white noise, btw?)

Have you provided adequate dampening?

etc

If you haven't then you haven't accounted for the variables.

Your controls are not as strict as you believe they are.




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