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Title: Nature of the Unknown


Duck - March 6, 2012 10:53 PM (GMT)
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We’re going to take a look at what it means to say something is “unknown” or “mysterious.” People use these words all the time, often without really understanding what they mean.

To start, let me begin by telling you about a UFO I saw. I’ve had my share of unusual and seemingly mystical experiences.  For instance, I once saw a UFO flying over Albuquerque, New Mexico. Early one morning as I waited at a traffic light facing south, I glanced out my window and saw a huge white disc slowly hovering above the city, between my position and the Sandia Mountains that abut the city.  I was amazed, and tried to figure out how large the disk might be.  I knew it had to be flying lower than 10,400 feet (the altitude of the mountains), and given its size, I figured that the object had to be several hundred feet long.

As I watched carefully, though, I realized that the image was not over the city twenty miles away, but on my window about a foot away from my face.  The disc was a reflection of the morning sun off the chrome of the car to my right, which had sidled up next to me as we stopped.  When the traffic light turned green, the car moved ahead and its reflection went right along with it.  Until I realized that I was seeing an optical illusion, the image looked for all the world like a large, luminescent hovering UFO.  For a few exciting moments, I had little doubt about what I was seeing.  I’ve also had apparently prophetic dreams, deja vu, and odd coincidences.  Yet each time I was able to find logical, science-based explanations for what I experienced.

The Nature of the Unknown

Often in discussions of paranormal topics, the subjects themselves (ghost, Bigfoot, etc.) are treated as if there was a universally agreed-upon definition of what these things are, or what their nature is. But these terms are simply names for specific experiences, not discrete objects or entities. Simply calling something a Bigfoot or ghost does not explain anything, as no one knows that Bigfoot or ghosts exist, much less their nature. The conversation goes something like this:

“I saw a Bigfoot.”

“How do you know it was a Bigfoot?”

“It was large and dark and hairy and standing on two legs.”

“Okay, so you saw something large, dark, hairy, and standing on two legs. But no one knows for certain what a Bigfoot is. So how can you positively identify what you saw as a Bigfoot?”

If a truthful eyewitness states, “I saw something in the hallway that I can’t identify,” that is a valid and accurate statement. If the eyewitness instead states, “I saw a ghost in the hallway,” the person is making an unwarranted assumption and a leap of logic—and this is true even if the person actually did see some unknown, paranormal entity.

It’s basic logic: You can’t claim to positively identify something without knowing the specific nature of that thing. Correctly identifying X necessarily means you must know what X is, what established characteristics distinguish it from Y and Z; there’s no way around it. Thus labels like chupacabra, ghost, fairy, Bigfoot, and so on are useful only as descriptive shorthand; for an investigator is it more accurate and useful to think of them as descriptors for an experience. There may be other things that share those characteristics—bears are large, dark, hairy, and sometimes stand on two feet.

Once the mystery is approached from this angle, it becomes potentially solvable. A scientific paranormal investigator can no more test, analyze, or examine a Bigfoot or ghost than a botanist can study a wahoozle or a car mechanic can run a test on a frammis. The investigation becomes one not of identifying the Bigfoot or ghost but of trying to understand what the eyewitness experienced, what the person interpreted as a Bigfoot or a ghost. This step is one of the most important, and a common reason why investigations fail, or end up with ambiguous results. You must use meaningful labels to understand the phenomenon.

This is not, as some might object, an a priori dismissal of the supernatural explanation. If what the eyewitness experienced truly is paranormal, if ghosts or Bigfoot exist, then their nature will be revealed through the scientific process. But before reaching for the paranormal explanation, we must consider known, alternative explanations.

In every single paranormal topic, from UFOs to Bigfoot to ghosts to miracles, there are solved cases and examples of mundane things that were mistaken for the paranormal. Those explanations must be examined and ruled out first. If all the scientific, natural explanations can be justifiably dismissed, we are left with supernatural ones. As Sherlock Holmes states in The Sign of Four, “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

From the séances and Spiritualist movement in the 1800s to TV’s Ghost Hunters, people have been searching for hard evidence of the paranormal for centuries, with a 100% failure rate. People have been trying to prove the existence of ghosts since at least the 1800s, and yet we are no closer to finding out what ghosts are. The evidence for ghosts, Bigfoot, or psychic powers is no better today than it was a year ago, a decade ago, or a century ago.

Why is the “final evidence” and conclusive proof so elusive? There are only two possible explanations for this. The first is that these phenomena do not exist, and all the evidence for them are the result of hoaxes, honest mistakes, misidentifications, and psychological misperceptions. So far the overwhelming weight of evidence supports this conclusion. This doesn’t mean that the search should end, just that the reason for the lack of good evidence must be dealt with.

The second possibility is that these things are real and do exist—but that the efforts to prove their existence have so far failed because the search is being done in the wrong way, and researchers are not verifying their assumptions and asking the right questions. The methods used to investigate these mysterious over the past decades have, with a few exceptions, been overwhelmingly non-scientific. Much “research” in the paranormal is notable for its sloppy scholarship, bad logic, and poor scientific methodologies. Many researchers into psychic ability (called psi) readily admit this. It doesn’t seem to occur to the non-scientific paranormal investigators that (assuming the phenomenon they seek is real) they must do something different.

One common (but apocryphal) definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For fifty years, the search for Bigfoot has relied on exactly the same methods and types of evidence: eyewitness sightings, “mysterious” tracks or prints, ambiguous photos and videos. All that effort, and yet not a single verifiable fact about Bigfoot is known. The search for Bigfoot has so far been a complete and unqualified failure. For well over a century, the search for ghosts has relied mostly on sightings and séances. In the last decade or so ghost hunters have employed new technology (such as EMF detectors and night vision cameras), yet all the high-tech gear has yet to yield a single piece of hard evidence for ghosts. The same pattern can be found in nearly every area of paranormal, from ESP to crop circles to astrology: the evidence gets no better over the years and decades because they are using the wrong methods.

It’s time for the majority of “paranormal experts” and researchers to change tactics; it’s time to use the most reliable methods known to mankind to help unravel the mysteries. It’s time for science.

Not only should mysteries be investigated scientifically, but in fact mysteries cannot be solved without scientific methods. My colleagues and I, using scientific methods, have solved hundreds of mysteries. We have found answers and solutions to everything from astrology to zombies, ESP to ghosts. Yet non-scientific (i.e., most) “paranormal investigators” never find conclusive evidence; theirs is an open-ended quest fueled by evidence that is marginal at best.

If you are very fortunate in your investigations, you might experience some sort of paranormal (or seemingly paranormal) event. However it’s far more likely that you’ll be interviewing people who claim to have witnessed amazing or mysterious events. In the next part we’ll examine some of the techniques in understanding what people see, and why.

zombie444 - March 7, 2012 08:40 AM (GMT)
where is the link?

Les - March 7, 2012 09:31 AM (GMT)
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When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

I can take that, but I sometimes wonder just how literal we're getting to be these days. Example. I work at a primary school on a notorious council estate. We go to a lot of trouble to make the school environment as attractive and interesting as we can. One of my innovations, as Science co ordinator, was to build a natural pond. It took a long time, but after a great deal of effort we finally had it built and, with the help of a couple of large buckets of local pond water, it was working well, tadpoles, water insects, plants. It was fabulous and the children loved it. One weekend, however, someone decided to wreck it and poured a can of white, oil based paint into it. Everything died and the subsequent clean up doesn't bear description.
We have CCTV in our grounds and we managed to capture images of some local morons 'creeping' into the pond area and, a few minutes later, creeping out again. However, there was, at the time, no camera trained on the pond itself so no images were available to show them in the act, so to speak. They denied it to the police - 'we found it like that', they said. However, the pond was clear when we left at the end of the school day, it was ruined by the next morning. No one else was seen to enter the area during the night, just that nasty little gang. We know they did it. Know it! But because no one saw it, no one could 'prove' it. So that's that. No proof - it didn't happen.

Sorry, that's a rant - apologies. But I hope it illustrates my point.

P.S. The pond is back up and running now and full of frog spawn, new plants and more living things than you can count ....... for now. :angry:

Rusty Bullet - March 7, 2012 10:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Les @ Mar 7 2012, 10:31 AM)
Sorry, that's a rant - apologies. But I hope it illustrates my point.

Actually, for me, it doesn't. What is your point?

Les - March 7, 2012 11:10 AM (GMT)
That proof is a movable feast. Those boys definitely wrecked the pond but, because they weren't physically filmed doing so, they got off scott free. So, something I know - beyond doubt - in the eyes of the authority, didn't happen. But it did.

Rusty Bullet - March 7, 2012 11:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Les @ Mar 7 2012, 12:10 PM)
That proof is a movable feast.  Those boys definitely wrecked the pond but, because they weren't physically filmed doing so, they got off scott free.  So, something I know - beyond doubt - in the eyes of the authority, didn't happen.  But it did.

Which boy put the paint in the water?

That is the difference between science and assumption.

Queen Bee - March 7, 2012 01:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Les @ Mar 7 2012, 09:31 AM)
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When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

I can take that, but I sometimes wonder just how literal we're getting to be these days. Example. I work at a primary school on a notorious council estate. We go to a lot of trouble to make the school environment as attractive and interesting as we can. One of my innovations, as Science co ordinator, was to build a natural pond. It took a long time, but after a great deal of effort we finally had it built and, with the help of a couple of large buckets of local pond water, it was working well, tadpoles, water insects, plants. It was fabulous and the children loved it. One weekend, however, someone decided to wreck it and poured a can of white, oil based paint into it. Everything died and the subsequent clean up doesn't bear description.
We have CCTV in our grounds and we managed to capture images of some local morons 'creeping' into the pond area and, a few minutes later, creeping out again. However, there was, at the time, no camera trained on the pond itself so no images were available to show them in the act, so to speak. They denied it to the police - 'we found it like that', they said. However, the pond was clear when we left at the end of the school day, it was ruined by the next morning. No one else was seen to enter the area during the night, just that nasty little gang. We know they did it. Know it! But because no one saw it, no one could 'prove' it. So that's that. No proof - it didn't happen.

Sorry, that's a rant - apologies. But I hope it illustrates my point.

P.S. The pond is back up and running now and full of frog spawn, new plants and more living things than you can count ....... for now. :angry:

Awwwwww Les that's awful. Makes me so cross when you go to the trouble of doing something nice like that, and then a bunch of brainless Neanderthals have to come along and spoil it for everyone. :angry:

Glad it's all ok now though.

Ron55 - March 7, 2012 02:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Les @ Mar 7 2012, 09:31 AM)
QUOTE
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

I can take that, but I sometimes wonder just how literal we're getting to be these days. Example. I work at a primary school on a notorious council estate. We go to a lot of trouble to make the school environment as attractive and interesting as we can. One of my innovations, as Science co ordinator, was to build a natural pond. It took a long time, but after a great deal of effort we finally had it built and, with the help of a couple of large buckets of local pond water, it was working well, tadpoles, water insects, plants. It was fabulous and the children loved it. One weekend, however, someone decided to wreck it and poured a can of white, oil based paint into it. Everything died and the subsequent clean up doesn't bear description.
We have CCTV in our grounds and we managed to capture images of some local morons 'creeping' into the pond area and, a few minutes later, creeping out again. However, there was, at the time, no camera trained on the pond itself so no images were available to show them in the act, so to speak. They denied it to the police - 'we found it like that', they said. However, the pond was clear when we left at the end of the school day, it was ruined by the next morning. No one else was seen to enter the area during the night, just that nasty little gang. We know they did it. Know it! But because no one saw it, no one could 'prove' it. So that's that. No proof - it didn't happen.

Sorry, that's a rant - apologies. But I hope it illustrates my point.

P.S. The pond is back up and running now and full of frog spawn, new plants and more living things than you can count ....... for now. :angry:

I have to aske this, Les. On the CCTV footage, could it be seen if either of the yobs were carrying tins of paint on their way in.

Surely if it does, then could it not be assumed that they are both are as guilty as each other? :)

baldrick69 - March 7, 2012 02:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Les @ Mar 7 2012, 09:31 AM)
QUOTE
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

I can take that, but I sometimes wonder just how literal we're getting to be these days. Example. I work at a primary school on a notorious council estate. We go to a lot of trouble to make the school environment as attractive and interesting as we can. One of my innovations, as Science co ordinator, was to build a natural pond. It took a long time, but after a great deal of effort we finally had it built and, with the help of a couple of large buckets of local pond water, it was working well, tadpoles, water insects, plants. It was fabulous and the children loved it. One weekend, however, someone decided to wreck it and poured a can of white, oil based paint into it. Everything died and the subsequent clean up doesn't bear description.
We have CCTV in our grounds and we managed to capture images of some local morons 'creeping' into the pond area and, a few minutes later, creeping out again. However, there was, at the time, no camera trained on the pond itself so no images were available to show them in the act, so to speak. They denied it to the police - 'we found it like that', they said. However, the pond was clear when we left at the end of the school day, it was ruined by the next morning. No one else was seen to enter the area during the night, just that nasty little gang. We know they did it. Know it! But because no one saw it, no one could 'prove' it. So that's that. No proof - it didn't happen.

Sorry, that's a rant - apologies. But I hope it illustrates my point.

P.S. The pond is back up and running now and full of frog spawn, new plants and more living things than you can count ....... for now. :angry:

Suppose the case was judge in a law court by 12 sound, sceptical, scientifically minded jury members. You'd probably get a guilty verdict because the available evidence would be beyond reasonable doubt.

What if the accused blamed a ghost (or an invisible unknown force capable of random acts of vandalism) and your 12 sound, jury members believed in ghosts. Would they be forced to consider a viable alternative explanation and therefore reasonable doubt?


Duck - March 7, 2012 05:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (zombie444 @ Mar 7 2012, 08:40 AM)
where is the link? 

You can't have a link as its an email, how about spending some time quoting all the bits you disagree with and support that position with a good well qualified argument, you never know, you might change a few minds.

OMGBanana - March 7, 2012 05:30 PM (GMT)
yeah, its an email, why not sign up for it? it might help you better understand the sceptical viewpoint :)

Duck - March 7, 2012 05:49 PM (GMT)
Zombie falls into the second camp at this time I'm afraid OMG. Hope springs eternal though.

OMGBanana - March 7, 2012 06:50 PM (GMT)
yeah, true, but i think even believers should read things from sceptics as well (and the other way round), just to have a better understanding of the other side and how they think, why they come to their decisions, and to debate better with them. i think it would really help get rid of a lot of misconceptions he has about sceptics, cause these people seem really open minded :)

Fells - March 19, 2012 12:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Les @ Mar 7 2012, 11:10 AM)
That proof is a movable feast. Those boys definitely wrecked the pond but, because they weren't physically filmed doing so, they got off scott free. So, something I know - beyond doubt - in the eyes of the authority, didn't happen. But it did.

Can I ask, Les, how you know - beyond all doubt - who the perpetrators of the pond damage was? Is it your assumption? Did you get a confession?

I ask because proof is not a moveable feast - however, there are different levels of proof required dependent on the claim. For claims that challenge how the real world works, a far higher evidence bar is required than for more mundane claims - just as there is a higher evidence bar required when the outcome could be the conviction of someone versus someone claiming they drank a cup of tea.

Evidence for non-paranormal claims, a cure for cancer, for example, require the same level of evidence for paranormal claims, evidence of consciousness survival after death, for example. The level of proof is not moveable for these types of claims.

Look at it this way, Band A claims require Band A evidence; Band D claims require Band D evidence. The quality of evidence does not move in any of the bands but will be different between each band.




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