Title: instan sebelon ready
gunvald - May 13, 2008 04:50 AM (GMT)
aku kok pernah mbaca kalo play instant sebelom ready phase itu nda boleh
soalnya ready phase gak mbuka chain
tanggapannya donk, cupu neh
reki - May 13, 2008 07:31 AM (GMT)
emang ga isa, kaya magic juga ga isa.
ready step ga iso direspon soale.
yg bisa itu at start of turn, tapi kartu2 yg at the start of turn bla.. bla.. bla.. masuk stack dolo
:P :P :P
gunvald - May 13, 2008 08:47 AM (GMT)
model2 dot itu kan?
aku juga pernah mbaca kalo dot at start turn pas ndamage direspon instant destroy ability itu abilitynya pecah tapi damagenya masuk.....
Morphling - May 13, 2008 02:25 PM (GMT)
Emg pernah tha ada yang cast ability pas sebelum ready step ?
gue_orang_ganteng - May 13, 2008 02:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gunvald @ May 13 2008, 03:47 PM) |
| aku juga pernah mbaca kalo dot at start turn pas ndamage direspon instant destroy ability itu abilitynya pecah tapi damagenya masuk..... |
ini nanya? ato cuman kasih komen?
ga bisa melakukan apapun sebelum masuk ready step a.k.a untap phase.
gunvald - May 13, 2008 06:39 PM (GMT)
mmm abis ready kan masuk damage dotnya, trus di cast instant dispel ability
Morphling - May 14, 2008 01:19 AM (GMT)
Kayaknya damage msh masuk ... jd dy cast dispell pas start turn kan ? ....
reki - May 14, 2008 02:09 AM (GMT)
masuk haruse, soale uda masuk triger/chain stack
:D :D :D
tienming - May 14, 2008 03:37 PM (GMT)
sorry bos gak isa, kata CR punya WOW versi 1,1 yg aku punya, priority window open setelah ready(jadi masih dalam ready phase).
sedikit beda dengan magic yg TIDAK ADA PRIORITY waktu untap step
Morphling - May 14, 2008 04:33 PM (GMT)
Darkmot - May 15, 2008 02:07 AM (GMT)
*Rule Lawyer Mode On*
| QUOTE |
501. Start phase
501.1 Ready step
501.1a As a ready step starts, the turn player readies all cards in play he or she controls. Any
modifiers created “as [that turn] starts” are also created simultaneously. None of this uses the
chain. Next, a priority window opens. As that window closes, the ready step ends. |
| QUOTE |
501.2 Draw step
501.2a As a draw step starts, the turn player draws a card. This doesn’t use the chain. Next, a priority
window opens. As that window closes, both the draw step and start phase end. |
| QUOTE |
708. Triggered effects
708.1 As a player is about to receive priority, any waiting triggered effects that have been created but
have not yet been added to the chain are added to the chain during pre-priority processing (409.5). |
Konklusi:
Tidak seperti Magic, yang mempunyai Untap, Upkeep, dan Draw step, di WoW cuman Ready Step, dan Draw Step. Untuk dot, keadaannya gini:
Ready Step
- Ready semua card (atau replacing effect terjadi)
- Start of Turn effect trigger, masuk ke dalam chain
- Active player dapat priority
- Player lain dapat priority
- Start of Turn effect resolve (meskipun sourcenya udah hancur, tapi yg dalam chain ngga ilang)
- Active player dapat priority
- Player lain dapat priority
- Sampe link dalam chain habis
Draw Stap
- Active player draw card (atau replacing effect terjadi)
- Active player dapat priority
- dst...
*Rule Lawyer Mode Off*
tienming - May 15, 2008 01:47 PM (GMT)
gue_orang_ganteng - May 15, 2008 04:45 PM (GMT)
berarti.. kalau aku pasang moonfire di eot-nya opp-ku.
pas start turnku, moonfire trigger, aku respon cast moonkin form.
lalu dia dapet 1 ato 2 damage?
Morphling - May 15, 2008 05:12 PM (GMT)
Moonkin iku instant yo ?? .. wew
Darkmot - May 16, 2008 01:36 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gue_orang_ganteng @ May 15 2008, 04:45 PM) |
berarti.. kalau aku pasang moonfire di eot-nya opp-ku.
pas start turnku, moonfire trigger, aku respon cast moonkin form.
lalu dia dapet 1 ato 2 damage? |
Bukane kita wes bahas ini? Dapet 2 damage. Pembandingnya gini. Omedus ngeflip, trus kamu respon destroy shadow weavingnya. Nah, bonus +2 damage itu ilang kan? Berarti modifier itu baru diapply saat damage bener2 akan dideal, bukan saat masuk chain. Sama dengan moonfire dan moonkin.
Tapi nek kamu pengen bukti:
| QUOTE |
716.1 Modifiers that use both “would” and “instead” are replacement modifiers. A replacement
modifier replaces a specified event with a modified event. This doesn’t use the chain. The
specified event never happens, so no powers or modifiers can trigger off it. Instead, the modified
event happens, which may in turn trigger powers or modifiers.
716.1b A replacement modifier can replace an event any time, even during intervals when no player
has priority. In order for a replacement modifier to replace an event, that modifier must exist
immediately before that event would happen. Replacement modifiers replace every instance
of the specified event, even if that event happens multiple times simultaneously. |
Lebih jelas? Intinya segala model modifier2 itu ngga masuk chain, dan baru akan berubah saat eventnya akan jalan.
gunvald - May 16, 2008 02:15 AM (GMT)
gue_orang_ganteng - May 16, 2008 01:57 PM (GMT)
ic. iya uda di bahas
cuman mastiin aja.. :lol: :lol:
