I really want to give this the full bitchin it deserves, but I'm tired and it's very late, so I'm going to just let it go for the most part.


Aqueducts run scheduled 9EST...left at 10:22EST.


I know alot of you are west coasters and it's just after dinner, but to make the rest of us wait on you is just plain rude. Not to mention how much more we can all get done if we just show up on time.

I understand & agree that real life should take priority over game. My issue is that with this game (like any other game, sport, or other exrta curricular activity), when you decide to set aside the time to take part in a coordinated event, then the other people with you deserve your attention. If you're distracted or preoccuppied or have other things going on that prevent you from giving the event/group your focus, then the polite thing to do would be to excuse yourself from it. I don't mean to sound harsh, but when I do a group deal (even if it's juat a small farming session or an exp party), I put forth my best effort, & it's very frustrating when I can't rely on those with me to do the same. I'm not saying everyone should be able to outperfom everyone else, but there's a big difference between trying your best & not bothering to put forth the effort.

It's a bit easier in person as you can see someone is walking off the field or not really focused on what's going on - so you can make adjustments to compenstate. Doesn't quite work the same in an online game where you have no clue what's going on in all of those other chairs.

This is a game, & games are suposed to be FUN. Two of my favorite linkshell events have not been very fun the last few runs I've made. These are events that I have looked forward to time & time again.

I'd also point out that it's not all of the West Coaster's. I know several of us are West Coast and were ready to go. Yesterday I made a decision not to go to the grocery store on the way home to ensure I could be at home and online at 5 PST, in order to be near the Safehold at 5:30 PST and ready to go. Which I was.

Then 6 PST rolls around and the same thing that happens every week began. People weren't ready, hadn't read the forums to take care of pre-reqs, etc.

Which is why when it gets pushed off until 7 PST, I pretty much reached my limit, which is why I went up to get food. I was so miffed, I almost didn't log back on when I got back, but figured I had made a promise and would keep it (sadly just as I zoned in, I only had a chance to wave before everyone got drawn in).

Which means, the two hours I spent in-game yesterday (for the sole purpose of helping others - since I have both the mission and my subligars) was for naught. Since this is the 2nd time in a month that this has happened, I think we really need to draw a line so that the events can remain fun for everyone that attends.

I think we really need to drive more people to the forums, and maybe require that people who need a specific aspect of the quest/mission sign up in the thread stating (just like common law) that they have read and completed all the pre-reqs. Two benefits to this. We will have a better idea of what jobs/people or coming, and it gets people more involved in the forums.

Any thoughts on this?

-Ten

I agree that lateness and lack of effort are frowned upon (I thought last night we delayed due to darkday though).

What it comes down to is respect.

When you are not prepared and tardy to an appointment (as in RL) you are showing that you do not respect me or my time (as if you think I have all day to wait on you).

I am in sales, and the first rule is be prepared and on time. It shows resepct and wins you friends (and therefore business).

We group together in linkshells in order to make friends. If you hope to do that, it starts with respect.

Just my 2 gil.

-Hal

Actually, dark day didn't start until 9:30....if everyone had been there and ready to go on time, it wouldn't have been an issue at all.


Also, I did not mean to imply that it was a west coasters problem. I just feel that alot of them don't realize just how late this stuff gets started and runs for those of us on the east coast.

Last night we were targeted to go on lightday (when the minotaur was at it's weakest). Unfortunately, due to delays, we missed the lightday window and it went over to darkday.

I had some reservations going on Darkday, so I recommended that we wait until Fireday. But it was decided that we press on, so we did, on Darkday.


I agree, it was very very fustrating. No one likes sitting around waiting. Especially for people who have yet to finish the prereq cutscenes, NM fights, key-items (pso'xja chips, hippo feathers, scales, etc...) gathering, etc...

How does this sound? A 15 minute rule. If you're not ready by 15 minutes after the event is scheduled, we start without you. Even if you're a minute after that 15 mins, we start w/o you.

If we don't have enough people by that time, the event is postponed.

What do you all think?

Sounds good to me.

Another idea, which may help the West/East coast differential would be to setup two runs on the same night. If we have enough people, for some missions we should be able to run two groups through.

For example... on this mission.

Group A could go through at 6 EST and get the Minotaur.

Then at 6 PST, Group B could arrive and we could do the Minotaur again and then proceed to the Library.

For other missions, we could split them easier (Fomor hate is an issue on this one). But say for Mammets. Group A could go through at 6 EST, farm for scales/clusters, and then get to Monarch zone and either log or wait.

Then Group B could begin the run right at 6 PST, and meet up with everyone at the BCNM.

We would need a East Coast and West Coast leader for both (unless someone's schedule would allow for both), but it may work and then maybe help establish team leads for other runs (since Aro seems to be doing a lot of the legwork atm).

Just a thought.

-Ten

That's the reason why I gave up leading promy mea and dem run back when I was playing Lac <_<

/bump

People, please read this, it's important. I've noticed lately a disturbing trend of people showing up late or worse still, not at all. Whilst this isn't directed at any particular individual, the outlook is disturbing.

The other disturbing issue is the lack of being prepared. These events are well coordinated and often planned days / weeks in advance.

Many of the participants are assisting you with a fight _they_ do not need. This represents a significant investment in time, energy and gill. It's not uncommon to spend tens of thousands of gill on some of these missions (go check the price of poison pots, echo drops, hi-ethers etc)

It's just not acceptable to attend an event without meds, gear or basic preperation, and expect a select few who are prepared to cover your fair share. I've found myself donating all of the above meds, silent oils etc, etc. to people who should of known well in advance what the pre-reqs were.

'I didn't know' isn't a valid excuse! Even to the few who rely on PS2 access, and can't access this resource certainly have to "/l [insert question here]" HQ is an incredible source of information and assistance, please use it!

Ultimately, this has an effect on YOUR enjoyment. If this trend continues, people will eventually stop attenting the events, stop assisting with prior missions etc, and the net result is everybody loses.

Think about this, next time you attent garrison with sub standard gear and/or undereveld jons. Yes, it's just a 30Cap, yes, it'll probably be ok... but is it fair on the majority who are paying through the nose to come well equipped and prepared?

I, for one, stopped attending garrisons, as often the cost of being prepared was greater than the return. Which was disheartening when semi naked folks, most of whom had zero expenses were walking away with substantial loots.

End Rant.

Amorphous

:lol: reminded me an nake Elvaan whm with nothing but 2 astral rings :lol:

Anyways...I agree with Amorphous on your 1st half that people needs to prepare for major events, ie Major quest/Mission.

As for garriosn, I think you looked at it in the wrong way. Garrison was by NO MEANS to be a money making event. Tho it become more and more like it since the drop simply worth a lot now. We might need to re-stress that Garrison is a Gather together beat the snort out of beastmen and have fun doing it even. People shouldn't get too work up on gimp sub, semi nake, even under lvl main job (a few lvl behind usually is ok) No expendable is needed...but if you have money to throw...be my guest to do it.

As for only few people are walking away with hundreds of thoudsands worth of items...aro, i think i will suggest to re-instated the old "everyone get a share" method of looting instead of autoloot (I suggest token provider still get 1 item of his/her choice, and the rest of the loot should be sold and then equally divided to the rest of hte people who participate on THAT round of garrison...XP scroll is still auto loot). While I myself won't care much about either way, I'm sure some of us feel that it's more fair that way.

So Amorphous...you should come join us on Garrison NOT because you have a chance to walk away with boat load of gils but to have fun hanging out and do something silly and unproductive :lol:

In one of my more successful (not more than HQ, just more than other) hnm/god shells, you were out after 10mins of grace time. Also, events were scheduled 30mins prior to required start time for organization and briefing, and for leeway. Nonetheless, you had to be in a party at the 30 min mark to recieve the brief. One arrangement we had was that you could spend a certain amount of points to b uy yourself more time. Meaning you could be late, but you'd be costing yourself time as well. That way at least the people waiting arent the only ones screwed and there's some motivation to arrive punctually.