Hydra, Transformation

Yue and I have ccome into conflict durring our matc\ch over the Hydra's anatomy, as well as it's transformation. Further, it seems like the Hydra's transformation utilizes some fangs and claws that aren't lited as weapons in the write up of the machine. I'm looking for a third party to help us resolve the situation.

before the proceeding of this trial begains. please all of the battle please.

..........sigh.......... this is the current weapons and equipment of the Hydra Gundam before and during the match.

Machine Name: Hydra Gundam
Machine Type: transforming artillery assault mobile suit: dragoon class
Pilot: Yue Osakura
Height: 21.12 meters
Weight: 74.02 metric tons (82.12 max)

current Armaments for MS mode

natural weapons: punches, kicks, tail, tail wipe, karate chops, stomps, body slams, shoulder rams, head butts, elbows, knees, body rushes, ETC…

1. Chest mounted 35mm CIWS machine cannon, fire linked, reviled apron opening of compartment on outer/ upper chest.

2 & 3. "Void Fang" Black blade beam sabers, mount on hip armor recharge packs mounted on (coming to use soon) Hydra fang containers.

4. Variable thruster vents, mounted on several parts of the fuselage for high mobility: one on the back of the units upper calf of both legs, one on the lower calf of both legs, one double thruster vent on the outer side of each leg, one four thruster vent on each Hydra fang container, two thruster vents mounted on the back of each shoulder armor, three thruster vents on per hydra Gundam head while folded and stored.

5. Chest mounted ''Ver`Scylla'' beam cannon. Located in the center of the Hydra Gundam’s chest. If charged for full fire, unit unable to move for two posts. Short charge no effect.

6. Open

Fang container
N/A

Current Armaments for Mobile beast mode

Natural weapons: teeth, claws, tail, body, ETC....

Optional weapons: assault shield/55mm short barrel anti-armor beam gattling gun mounted on under side of shield, mount/stored on left shoulder, extends down to left forearm, can be used in D-mode: long barrel "Veran" assault rifle, stored/used on right shoulder in D-mode, hand carried in use:

Hard Mounts Added: 4-40 points
Soft Mounts Added:

Hard Mounts Used
1. Machine gun-10 points
2. Beam wielded blade – 16 points
3. Beam wielded blade – 16 points
4. Flight unit - 25 points
5. Large beam cannon - 25 points
6. Open

Total Number of Soft Mounts: 1

Inventory
1. Shield – 10 points
2. Assault rifle – 8 points
3. Machine gun -10 points
4. Beam machine gun- 14 points
Total Machine Cost: 164
Points Remaining: 13

The claws and teeth having no cost is what I'm taking issue with. I believe that they would be counted as mounted claws at 15 points each. This is part of the reason we need an admin to talk to.......

if that were the case, we would have to buy things just to do normal punchs, kicks, and even a head butt.

Nanako asked me to comment here, even though i'm just a G.Mod.

Hmm. Given that a normal non-transformed mobile suit can only have claw attacks and such by buying weapons seperately, I will have to say that your Hydra Gundam would have to buy the claws at least, possibly the longer fangs. Your MS could simply bash with its head(s), try to constrict, or other means of attack other then biting or clawing, so the unarmed attacks are still present.

Wait for Bryant or an actual Admin though, since i'm not 100% on this. (I'd actually like to know myself)

Because God forbid I go away and have a date or two...

Any WEAPONS other than natural weapons, punches, kicks, headbutts, etc. are purchase so the claws, etc, etc, MUST BE PURCHASED! Act right and use some common sense kiddos. Otherwise Tenrai will read and grade every post as it goes up.

*wakes up, rubs his eyes, reads offline messages, a pm sent to him, then finally this topic*

Jeez, I get a day of shitty weather, and I get called into a "trial" here. I already have jury duty coming towards me, which sucks, and now I have to review evidence here to.

Anyways, my complaints aside, it is time to handle the matter at hand.

Now Nana was right to bring this up here instead of starting a bitchfest of whining somewhere else. I don't know how many people have started this crap in threads over the years. So kudos on that.

Yue, the machine you posted IS NOT the machine you are using. Your machine you are using is the one which is posted with your character under Characters & Machines, which I quote as follows:

Notice how there is no listings of claws, or fangs or any other weapons for your transformation mode? (This is also why you update your profiles kiddies!) Meaning even if you had a weapon for use in transformed mode, you couldn't use it, since you have not stated how it was mounted, or used.

Now for Natural Weapons. Ten's list is absolutely correct, why? Cause those attacks can be used by both Mobile Suits, and Mobile Armors. These are natural parts of the machine that allow it to work. Claws, and Fangs are add ons to these natural features, which are usually sharp, and purpose built to be a weapon. A machines limbs are not purpose built for striking, they can just be used to do so.

Hense if you want a weapon like that you need to buy it. Now you have beam sabers on your machine Yue, *You should have listed them as the machines fangs in Mobile armor mode.* You should also list the weapons placements in Mobile Armor mode. Now I know this is probably not entirely your fault, since I don't know how much experience you have with transforming machines, and well we usually have to explain this to people at some point.


-- Summary --

- Now Yue, edit the fangs, and claws parts out of your post, and try doing an attack with one of your natural weapons, like a paw swipe, or a pounce, or even a bash with the machine's shoulder. It's a hydra, you should be able to think of something cool.

- Nana, good job coming here, and posting about your conflict, but next time, don't alert every staff member you see lol.

- Corrupted, nice job of being even handed, and trying to resolve this a little, but next time, have a little more confidence, and don't say who alerted you, since that makes you look partial to someone, and that never helps in these things. And you are free to offer your two cents here, as long as you don't do it argumentatively, you are a staff member for a reason heh.

- Ten, normal resolve, yada, yada, and you owe me some details about how things are going with your new friend, since the sniper sheep is asking me about it too lol.

Anywho, topic closed, matter resolved. Go finish yall's fight, and don't make me taser ya! lol.