I noticed there was not a topic about this subject so I I thought it may generate some interest.

I am not agaisnt drugs...mainly b/c IMO it is futile to be agaisnt somethign that has been around since the begining of humanity, and will exist until the end of humanity.

I am severly agaisnt addiction to anything....even though I have one I know of myself, and I only feed it b/c the detox is quite painful. I am addicted to caffeine, I have one cup of coffe every mornig, b/c if I dont, I will have severe headache by noon.

As far as other more potent narcotics, I have done a few:
Natural:
Marijuana
Psylocibin mushrooms
Opium

Man-Made:
LSD
Exstacy (MDMA)
Nitrous Oxide
Flexoral (perscription muscle relaxers)
Xanax (perscription anti-depressants)

Man derived from Nature:
Cocaine
Hydrocodeine (perscription painkillers)


Drugs I have not tried and never will:
Heroine
Methamphetamine
Crack
Angel dust

Drugs I still want to experience:
Peyote
Other mushrooms
Hashish


Any comment our opinion is welcome, but as usual no flaming others b/c you disagree.

Out of the drugs I have done above, I rarely even see any of them anymore. If I am lucky I may smoke a pipe bowl full of mary jane a week. Besides that I drink a little.

Lets hear your opinions and questions. If you have a question about the effects of anyhting or tales of why not to try something lets hear it!! Come one, come all, your first post is free, after that it will cost you!! haha j/k

"You do not want to sell me deathsticks. You want to go home and rethink you're life." -Obi-Wan Kenobi

Umm Mature rating. there you are warned little kiddies if there are any little kiddies out there.
"I want to go home and refuck your wife."

No i have not done any drugs cause i have this crappy sense of morals i feel i must abide by. Though i know a whole lot about drugs cause my friend is the biggest pothead i know. He's been to drug rehab, boot camp, and now another boot camp, and it doesn't help. Like when he got out of rehab he stopped smoking pot for a while and started smoking damn morphine pills. WTF. But he eventually started smoking pot again. and again. and again. I have a few other friends who smoke pot also and i relize its not that bad of drug and the only reason it illegal is that the government can't tax it but for some reason when he smokes it he does stupid shit. Why is that?

I'm against doing drugs in a general sense. Now if there is some explicit benefit, like with medicine then I think its OK. Even then though some medical drugs weird me out a little. Like some of those heavy duty painkillers and stuff. I don't believe drugs should be taken at all if they are not actually benefitting you and are most likely harming you.

I'm not going to condemn anyone for taking drugs, as long is it is "responsibly." Is there a way to take illegal drugs responsibly, though? I dunno.

Anywho, I've never experienced anything other than caffiene and alcohol. I am a caffiene addict, though. I'm about to begin to wean myself from all of the Pepsi and Cherry Coke (Cherry Coke is better than Cherry Pepsi and vice versa for Pepsi and Coke IMO). Never smoked tobacco, used smokeless tobacco, or anything else other than some occasional hard liquor. I hate beer.

I have more to say, but work is calling out to me... bah!

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I don't know about the controversy between making marijuana legal or what not. I say that if that is the case then the govt. would have to do away with all screening for the drug. Some jobs won't be for that, and we will have yet another problem. Legalizing it won't solve anything, I think. Also, I personally don't want to be around tobacco smoke -- I'm sure I don't want to be around pot! I have smelled it before when I was at a friend's house who smokes it. Nasty smelling stuff. Sadly, if I had a drug test, I would have failed it just for being in the same room as someone doing it. That is the biggest problem IMO.

ok, so far we have abunch of people who lean agaisnt the drug use.....but why...b/c it is illegal, or do you have personal reason why you are agaisnt it.

I cannot smoke or use any nicotine product, due to the fact that I am allergic to nicotine.

I have had many friends that went way to far down on drugs...usually it was b/c they were to weak to tell themselves "No!" I find that to be the biggest problem w/ people today, they always want the easy way out, and unfortunately drugs are easy.

Did any of you know that the first drug laws were passed for racial reasons. In San Fransico in the late 1800's the first law was passed to outlaw smoking opium. This law was passed to single out the Chinese and their opium dens...mainly b/c the white women were going there for escape. The funny thing about this is, Laudnum was a very popular and easiyl attainable drink available anywhere, and it is an opium based liquid. The large number of women were already addicted to laudnum, but since it was distirbuted by white men, it was ok.

The "Drug Problem" is a ruse by the government to keep money where they want it...in their pockets. If the governemtn really wanted to stop the massive money market of drugs, they would treat those addicted, and educate the children about what drugs really are. The "D.A.R.E." campaign of the 80' and 90's proved that "just say no" does not work, in fact due to that program more kids tried drugs than ever before. IMO this is due to the fact that the program did not educate kids about what drugs really do, it just tried to scare them away from it....and we all know how well that works on kids.

And please guys, do not get on a high and mighty chaor sayign how all drugs are bad and you would never do them for whatever reason...b/c everyone has put some chemical in there bodies that was not needed. Caffeine, alcohol, and nicotiene are the most prevalent and abused drugs around, and yet they are legal...why???? not for their health benefits, but b/c the people making money off them want it that way....and they lobby for it w/ the government, who are easily bribed.

As far as legality goes, I am self-governed. If a law does not make sense or is in place for the wrong reason I dont follow it. Laws about murder, theft, rape, and any other act that harms another make sense on the most basic levels.....every laws system on Earth has to deal w/ it. But when it comes to my personal body.. it is mine, not the governements....they have bno right to tell me what I can or cannot put in it. On the same note, if someone puts something in their bodies and end up causing damage or loss of life to others, then they should face harder prosacution(sp?) for the damage and the stupidity of losing control. But in the privacy of my own home, w/ no risk to others, we should be allowed to do whatever we want.

The idea that buying drugs gives money to terorist or to bad people is a red herring...why do you think we are in Afghanistan...America now has control of the largiest Poppy fields on the planet. Also, if these substances were not illegal, then the money would fuel our economy rather than someone elses. Drugs may fuel bad peoples desires, but only b/c the people of Ameria (in specific, the world in genral) want the substances, and are going to get them. If they are illegal, then the illegal people getthe money.

Please, discuss!!

I understand what you are saying, but here's my points to be made / my stance:

1. Drugs can be harmful to you. We all know that many things that are legal can be harmful if misused, but frankly I've been raised that drugs are bad. Also, I've had some pretty bad hangovers and dizzy spells on alcohol -- I didn't like it, and I don't need it. It is like me trying to argue why there shouldn't be a fourth toilet in the women's restroom -- it won't affect me either way because I don't go in there! I know that sounds like a bad way to see things, but I personally don't see anything big changing the already existing laws. D.A.R.E. worked for me, and I think it did with many others. Remember, there are more important people fighting this battle that are "on my side" and right now they are winning. I know that sounds pompus, but drugs aren't my forte', you know?

2. Smoking anything can infringe on other people's right not to be around such things. We all know about the smoking bans that are happenning / have happened over the past few years. Applebees is a no smoking store, and all restaurants in Lexington, KY are that way. I was hinting on this fact in my previous statement about me being around someone smoking pot and me failing a drug test. That is wrong, but will the drug screenings ever stop? I don't think so.

3. We are in a country (if not world) full of people who take the easy way out. Why else do you think we have all of these different diets that come out, and New Year's Resolutions that are mainly to lose weight or to stop smoking? Most people quit trying to quit, I think.

4. I think many laws were passed originally to serve someone's purpose, so that doesn't surprise me. Those in charge will almost always find a way to do what they want to and make it legal. However, I think that drug laws are good. Unfortunately, so many people use drugs (like marijuana) that the penalty for such is miniscule at best. When I worked at Burger King (shudders at the thought), the store manager was addicted to some sort of pills she would crush and inhale, and she smoked marijuana. She was dating a State Trooper! She didn't try to hide the fact either, so I'm about 95% sure he knew about it.

5. I don't think I agree about the drug problem being a way for the govt. to keep the money. It is the govt., they have a much larger budget than most. If they wanted to make it legal, I'm sure that they could get into the industry and make a killing, still keeping money in their pockets.

6. No arguments about the cigarette and alcohol companies making money off of them, but again that comes down to personal choice. Even the most addicted person at one time had to decide to start smoking / drinking / <insert drug here>. I think that trying to blame the circumstances for doing drugs (pain medications that were once prescribed to you are exempt from this statement) rather than taking responsibility for one's own actions is another of those huge problems with people today.

Don't read this as if I am upset from this subject. Sometimes I start typing and can't stop. This was one of those times.

I am not saying that smoking anythig should be allowed in public....in fact I am all for the baning of public smoking...I am talking about in my private home.

as far drugs being harmful, anything is harmful if overused...ever heard of sex addicts

I dont think the fact that some cannot control themselves shoudl make it wrong for those who can control themselves to do something

and penalties are staggering for drug possesion in large quantites, and the dont make people stop doing them, they just make them more financially desperate. Use is not wrong yet addiction is, if someone is addicted and they get busted anf fined, which do you think will be more important to them, their chemical addiction or their fines....so in short order, they end up in jail for not paying fines. If someone is found to be addicted, they should be helped the first time, and IMO shot the second time. I have no time or tolernace for someone who lets substances rule their lives....evne though I have that small problem w/ coffee, but those headaches are a pain in the ass, and if I dont get coffee, then I get grumpy for about a day, I do not become a psycho thief murder boy

why do you think nicoteine and alcohol are legal....the companies that produce them are controlled and owned by white americans....Chris Rock put it best, only the white man can profit off pain and misery

I agree...no matter what people do, they should be held accountable

Yeah. An overdose of anything is bad for you. Prime Example: My uncle is brain damaged because when he was born the doctors gave him too much oxygen (difficult childbirth).

As far is the private home thing, that again can cause problems. If I am visiting your house and you light up, do I walk out and leave your house? Do you scream at me "It's my house, and I can do whatever I want!" as I'm leaving? Bottom line is, those who want it in their house pretty much have it in their house. It isn't like it is hard to find (marijuana, that is).

Rules are made because of an existing problem (or a forseen one). Feelings, emotions, and chemicals are addictive things. These things can make someone who thinks they are strong realize that they are not. No one is willing to admit weakness (well, many people at least), so this will still see as much, if not more problems. As a person we are not allowed to take our own life if we want, and the argument is about other people who can't control their urges? Think about it, suicide is the only thing that is illegal to attempt but not commit. Strange, huh? Anyway, that goes along with personal rights. Things you have control over that you are not able to do, according to the law.

Should we rewrite the laws when someone who is doing an illegal act gets desperate enough to commit another crime to continue that illegal act? No doubt that addiction needs to be addressed, but not by changing the laws by making their life even easier. What are drugs for, if not an escape? Do they not make things easier? I don't see making things even easier for a desperate drug addict solving a problem.

About the whole "second time shooting them" thing, I'm inclined to agree. Save the govt. 100's of thousands of dollars (if not more) by spending a couple of bucks on a bullet rather than on food, lodging, cable tv, etc. for some inmates. No, I'm not saying that all should be treated in such a way but for some, enough is enough! I don't believe in holding someone on death row for 20 years. Death row in my mind is thought to be a short stay.

Well, alcohol was illegal once. Didn't work out. Many revolted. The problem was solved when alcohol was legal once more. What is the difference between the "alcohol problem" and the "drug problem?" Perhaps the drunks were causing a bigger stink than the drug addicts are today?

Ew, don't quote Chris Rock. His racial jokes are more tiresome than Jeff Foxworthy's redneck jokes. Of course, that's just personal opinion. :p

I agree abut Rocks racial jokes...they are tiresome, but that does not mean they are not true.

If I was a good host, I would wait till you left to do anything you dont like

Most drug laws are not there to make anyones life easier or harder, they are there to make money.


so what about the Pharmacitucal companies always pumping out new drugs we dont need, and encouraging doctors to perscribe them, when the old drugs work fine. Its all about patents and money....the companies dont give a rats ass for us other than as money donors.

Also, before laws were made agaisnt Marijuana, a lot of doctors made really powerful and non addictive pain killers form it, there are even new reports of cannibinoid drugs that your brain makes naturally!!

Well, I don't know about those findings, but I trust you. I'd like to keep up with this debate, but unfortunately my lunch break is over. I will say this, though --

Companies put money first, that's what they do. About the prescription medication -- I don't want to get into that debate. Too many people get upset about that topic, so I'll keep quiet. I haven't experienced anything to need medication, so I have the typical views of not needing it.

See you, Erok!

wow, this thread has the longest responses of any in this forum. I don't use drugs because i made a promise that I wouldn't. Also, any inmate i've ever dealt with has problems directly stemming from some kind of drug use. Drugs make it much easier to be stupid. That is all from me in this thread.

Yeah, I'm pretty much the same. I konw what that stuff does to me, and I really don't like not being in control, or not being to think on my feet. That's one of the reason I'll never get wasted drinking. Yeah, I've done underage drinking, big whoop, but I'm not stupid enough to get hammered. Smoking's anothing no-no.
Although if there's anything heavy-duty I'd take, it'd be Vicodin. I've tried Tylenol, Aleve, and my Advil gelcaps that I use for migraines, but Vicodin's the only thing that dulls the pain from the gash in the side of my mouth (and I don't get loopy like some people do, it just makes the pain go bye-bye)

oh I hope none of you get the idea that I some lazy, no direction punk who spends every wakingmoment looking for am escape from reality, I am not.
I understand that every human on this planet has to pull their weight, and the really good ones do it so well they pull so many peoples weights at once that all live better.

I would never let myself become a burden to those around me...I could not do it.

I have to be responsible enought to take care of a lot of stuff, and I have to do it to protect and care for a lot of people. People depend on me. I can never betray that.

I also like to enjoy this life I work hard for.

Substances that alter your perceptions are used daily all over the world by every type of citizen. I don't care where you go, there are people who have a local plant, liquid, or gas that makes you feel differently. To be honest, a lot of them may not be worth the risk of doing it...but each person should know the risk, and the reward....the truth about it, and have the right to decide for themselves if the ever want to see what said something would do to their body.

It just bothers me th know that I am a good, hard working provider for my family, have never doen a malicious harmful act to anyone, and the authorities could arrest me for smoking a little plant once or twice a week.

What if it was sex...what if the authorities could kick your door down for having sex w/ someone not on a specifed list...

but sex never hurt anyone......any of y'all really believe that???

The old drug debate!
In canada they are thinking of legalizing pot just cuz it would a good idea
Ok now you say you are not against something that has been around since the beginning of humanity... ok
well does that mean then you are not against rape, murder, pedaphilia, theft, racism... all of the evils have been in existence since the beginning of man, therefore always will exist.
Now I am not against some drugs.
Anything natural is ok to do once in a while. Like getting drunk is not gona hurt you once in a while. Its all how you take it in moderation. If you smoke up say once a week... you might have more problems down the line than someone who does it once a month or less
Same goes for being drunk.
But how is that a presentable argument anyway? Your not against it cuz its been around since humanity began and always will... all the other evils of the human race will be as well. Are drugs evil? Some are... some only destroy you
God Damn The Pusher Man!

and to reiterate my point on what you brought up about crime

"As far as legality goes, I am self-governed. If a law does not make sense or is in place for the wrong reason I dont follow it. Laws about murder, theft, rape, and any other act that harms another make sense on the most basic levels.....every laws system on Earth has to deal w/ it. But when it comes to my personal body.. it is mine, not the governements....they have bno right to tell me what I can or cannot put in it. On the same note, if someone puts something in their bodies and end up causing damage or loss of life to others, then they should face harder prosacution(sp?) for the damage and the stupidity of losing control. But in the privacy of my own home, w/ no risk to others, we should be allowed to do whatever we want."


it all has to do w/ violence......doing drugs have nothing to do w/ violence...except for the fact that addicts may commit violence to get their fix.....but I am also agaisnt addiction...so your statement about all the either evils is kind of redundant.

no offense

If someone is under the influence of drugs, any drugs I don't care about their legality, they are not in full control of themselves and more likely to engage in acts that in a normal state of mind they wouldn't. That includes violence and other criminal activity. People do stupid stuff when drunk, the effect is even greater with narcotics. That is really what I don't like about drugs. Things like Tylenol I am OK with because while it is changing how your body functions it is only affecting secondary things, when not taken in excess. The whole point of plenty of drugs is to change more than that, hence the phrase 'mind altering drugs'. I am against anything at all that changes who you are and how you act. That is something that I would never want to have happen to me and do something that I would not normally do then have negative results from it. I want to live my life as myself, not through a mask of drugs. I don't even like prescription drugs a whole lot for this reason. I am on medication for ADD and while consciously I realize that it is helping me I still don't like taking because it is altering who I am and how my mind and body work. So anyway that is pretty much the essence of how I feel about drugs. Some of this I had said earlier but this is kind of an expanded version and prompted by some of what you guys said. So no Erok I'm not condemning people for doing illegal drugs but I am also not defending any others. As for the whole business/government discussion I prefer to not even talk about stuff like that. Not a whole lot of point to it when it always leaves me pissed off and having accomplished nothing significant.

what do you do when your emotions override your comon sense....hell emotions can have more of a changing effect than drugs ever do...and if you are ADD (so was I) then you realize that the human body can get out of whack all by itself.

"I want to live my life as myself, not through a mask of drugs"

I agree, I do not live my life through a mask, but sometimes, I like to put on mask.

In no way am I condoning anyone getting over there head into something. If you cannot handle it, dont do it!! Be your own master, never let anythign master you!

The point is, you cant just pick and choose what rules you want?
So someone is trying to steal something with me and i kill him... i didnt like the rule of murder cuz it is not helpful for me
Yeah its your body but yeah you can be under the influence of doing things that can harm others. It is your body, your right! But it is supporting crime syndicates that kill others for this such...
They might as well make suicide good right? Cuz its not relevent for you? It is your body after all
so where does the line stop? Euthansia? Abortion? Suicide? It is your body after all... but it affects others
Think before you sniff/puff
a good time is good
being fucked up is different

we all pick and choose which rules we follow.

if somoen estole something from you and you killed them, then you would have commited a worse crime, and be punishable as such.

If anyone harsm anyone it is illegal...why does being high make a difference??

The only reason crime syndicates do what they do is b/c it is illegal, and wanted... take away either of those two and crime syndicates lose their pull. I dont see the want ever going away....

If someone else wat to kill themselves, then fine, let them...it is their right. Euthansia, abortion, ad suicide happen everyday...and drugs rarely have anything to do w/ it.

I dont sniff, and I do think even after I have puffed

a good time is a good time, and I am sure no one else here has ever drank at a good time before, to relax and have a little more fun. Its all the same, whether you drink alcohol, or smoke a joint, or inject heroin....its all the same...theonly difference is what actions you may or may not ake while on them...but being on any drug and committing a crime is just as bad as being sober and committing a crime.

I think one thing has to be said... Erok, you are making some good points. The problem is, I don't necessarily agree with you on them. For instance, I do not believe that one can pick and chose which laws to follow. Morals in my case are different, because I have a rather high set of morals IMO while laws are more of a set standard that can be changed to fit the times (good or bad).

One thing that is fact is that drug addicts commit crimes to support their addiction. An unproven fact (or opinion, take your pick) is that these drugs are addictive. Who doesn't want to have a good time? These drugs can make you have a good time in some people's eyes, so in a way it is almost as if people begin addiction from the feel it gives them (chemical or otherwise). Legalizing addictive drugs will lead those who cannot control themselves (and you have to admit that there are more out there than those who can) to become addicted and still turn to stealing or committting a violent crime to attain their fix. Keeping drugs illegal is swaying some that could become addicted from taking them, and I honestly believe that. Even if it prevents one person in the history of the world from becoming a crack whore then it is worth it in my eyes.

It is human nature to be curious, hence the interest in illegal activity you are referring to (for some), but I don't think that we should change the laws for the worse (IMO) just to accomodate the few that really can control themselves (again, I believe that many think they can control themselves, but few really can). People can say what they want to about religion, but one who devotes themselves to a religion does learn an amazing level of self control...

(Not trying to make this a religion issue, because I personally think religion sucks -- spirituality is different)

Also, I hope this makes sense, I was interupted halfway through the post and lost my concentration...

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oh I agree that there are lots of substances that are addictive, but why are some legal and others not????

I also have a high set of Morals, but they are based on what makes sense, and not where the money flows, which is where most of Americas laws have come form in the past 150 years. IMO the freedom to put a substance in my body, no matter the outcome (provided I do not hurt anyone, which is wrong whether intoxicted or sober) then it is my business.

Anything we do has to be in moderation.....take anything to far and it is detrimental.

If someone beocmes addicted to a substance, and all of their loved ones have tried all they can to help, and the addicted person does not want help, I say give him enough of the drug to OD and takes his weak-will out of the gene-pool. Americans are to quick to help those that dont want it or deserve it.

Religion is an addiction. Why do you think it is part of every 12 step program out there....all you do is trade one addiction for another....and the religios addiction makes you easily malleable for the politicians

Amen, Erok. Amen.