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Posted by: Kerkennah Apr 3 2009, 10:18 PM
I was talking with Damon about this war and I remembered a few things so I wanted to say them.

Well I heard we are having a war with SC and I was really confused about it. I mean what ever is going to happen in this war, is going to make the feud we had with them become even stronger. I don't think we need that right now, it makes us look bad and its a big waste of our time!

I thought last time, we decided as a clan that we wouldn't interact with them and that we would leave them in peace. It keeps coming up where I keep seeing us, AL interact with them. Some thing are us bothering them and posting on their recruitment topic, to making silly avatars about them to now, warring them. I think all this is unnecessary. We are only making it worse and I'm not really liking this.

I think that it should be a clan decision on whether we war them or not. Too many pointless and bad things have happened when we interacted with their clan and I as a member of the clan don't feel like going through this again.

I hope you all understand the view I'm trying to give.

Thanks alot,
Kerkennah

Posted by: Hellbound487 Apr 3 2009, 10:25 PM
just my opinion NO

Posted by: Dager007 Apr 3 2009, 10:55 PM
Let me make this clear. I support us warring them. I bet you're thinking, "Dager just wants revenge". Actually all I really want to do is test them, as Ori always brags about pulling 20+ to wars and I want to see it for myself. However, if it's a no, then it's a no. I am just fine not warring with them, because although it would provide great research, some of you guys think that the drama wouldn't make it worth it so what ever works out.

Posted by: damon Apr 3 2009, 11:08 PM
QUOTE (Dager007 @ Apr 3 2009, 10:55 PM)
Let me make this clear. I support us warring them. I bet you're thinking, "Dager just wants revenge". Actually all I really want to do is test them, as Ori always brags about pulling 20+ to wars and I want to see it for myself. However, if it's a no, then it's a no. I am just fine not warring with them, because although it would provide great research, some of you guys think that the drama wouldn't make it worth it so what ever works out.

who cares about them.. why test them? its not like we are always warring them to actually care if they pull 20... we dont need not waste our time messing with scrub [BEEP] clans that will just flame and cause problems for us even when we win. Last time we warred them it was bad publicity for us. Stop getting involved with them. You complain they spam our forums and all this bull [BEEP] they flame us, and you wanna war them knowing that it will happen even after. They will flame even more if we dont ignore them. I understand that you guys want revenge, but its not like they are a respectable or a reputable clan anyways. We would prove absolutely nothing by winning, because sc is the underdog to start.. us beating up on them is expected

Posted by: mastaofmelee Apr 3 2009, 11:13 PM
I think I'm gonna go with a "no" on this one. I like warring but I don't like drama, and it doesn't sound like we have anything to gain here.

Posted by: damon Apr 4 2009, 12:40 AM
we should fight lth instead...

Posted by: Chuffa Apr 4 2009, 01:06 AM
Why waste our time with this feud. We will obviously destroy them, so it's a waste of our time.

Let's fight someone worth fighting.

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 07:36 AM
We need to war them. I don't know what to expect from them, but it's not going to be a one-sided slaughter, as they've got a better Runehead than either TPL or IF.

As a clan, we need to kick their [BEEP] once and for all. Why? Because until we prove we're better than them, they'll continue to whine and carry on. With a smashing victory, they'll go off with their tail between their legs and not bother us again. I've worked for a long time to get this war between us and SC set up. dry.gif

Besides, as a clan, we've got our pride to consider as well. In the last few weeks, we've warred IF (when Damon came storming to me demanding to war IF because he was pissed at Redup), and TPL (who we'd never beaten before). Why not add Sacred to the list?

Instead of being like a turtle cowering in our shell, why not jump up and own them? The U.S. lost major standing after World War I for being an isolationist: we need to avoid their mistake, go out, and do what needs to be done. It's not like we need to be best buddies or something; but that doesn't mean we can't have a clean fight and beat them once and for all.

Posted by: blompty2 Apr 4 2009, 07:53 AM
Or we could win it and thrash them . they would saya lame excuse becoz they are lame like
''omg! haxzors! WE CALLED MATCHED OPTS AND NO POST WAR! we not war with u noobs again. lololol...i sleep with ori...''
Can't we just leave this noobs alone

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Apr 4 2009, 08:51 AM
If we let this rivalry consume us Golden, it'll eventually do what rivalries have done in the past.. Destroy them both. I say we avoid the conflict. We've done perfectly fine without warring them for months and I'd be happy if never do again.

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 08:58 AM
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Apr 4 2009, 01:51 PM)
If we let this rivalry consume us Golden, it'll eventually do what rivalries have done in the past.. Destroy them both. I say we avoid the conflict. We've done perfectly fine without warring them for months and I'd be happy if never do again.

No one said consume us. What's the problem with having one war to prove our superiority? We keep talking about getting better at warring, but ultimately, what's the point if we're unwilling to use our skills to beat those who are giving us grief? It's having a talent and not using it. huh.gif

Posted by: damon Apr 4 2009, 09:02 AM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 4 2009, 08:58 AM)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Apr 4 2009, 01:51 PM)
If we let this rivalry consume us Golden, it'll eventually do what rivalries have done in the past.. Destroy them both. I say we avoid the conflict. We've done perfectly fine without warring them for months and I'd be happy if never do again.

No one said consume us. What's the problem with having one war to prove our superiority? We keep talking about getting better at warring, but ultimately, what's the point if we're unwilling to use our skills to beat those who are giving us grief? It's having a talent and not using it. huh.gif

because our superiority is evident... rubbing it in their faces will just cause problems. And we are not getting better by fighting clans weaker then us. lth clearly is more powerful then us and sc is clearly weaker.. and we dont just beat up on every1 that causes us grief when it will in turn cause problems... its a waste of time, they suck, you know it... so forget them

Posted by: Techy Apr 4 2009, 09:05 AM
I say we war them. Ali and slash just joined, so I want to kick those [BEEP]es [BEEP].

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Apr 4 2009, 09:21 AM
The only people that I see here that want to war them are mainly for personal reasons... Like Techy's reason. I never was in AL when the whole skirmish between AL and SC broke out, and I don't want to be apart of something and fight for something that I see is only going to lead to trouble.

Heck, the only thing I know about SC is that Ori is a pain who flames. I don't know anything about our past relations between AL and SC, and I'm sure quite most of our newer members don't either. If we war them, I will sit this out because I don't know what I will be fighting for.

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 09:25 AM
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Apr 4 2009, 02:21 PM)
The only people that I see here that want to war them are mainly for personal reasons... Like Techy's reason. I never was in AL when the whole skirmish between AL and SC broke out, and I don't want to be apart of something and fight for something that I see is only going to lead to trouble.

Heck, the only thing I know about SC is that Ori is a pain who flames. I don't know anything about our past relations between AL and SC, and I'm sure quite most of our newer members don't either. If we war them, I will sit this out because I don't know what I will be fighting for.

What are you normally warring for? Pride. Pride, if anything, should be 10x higher in this war than in other wars, simply because we've been enemies for so long. dry.gif

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Apr 4 2009, 09:29 AM
I understand, in each and every clan war, both clans are staking their pride and record to do well. But I'm not prideful about something that I know nothing about. Right now I feel like a pawn being put on a chessboard, and I do not want to be sacrificed for something that I have no knowledge of why I'm fighting.

Posted by: Dager007 Apr 4 2009, 10:13 AM
First off...why on God's green earth would Aliath join SC? He hates Ori's guts. Second, I am willing to go either way. However, if we vote no, then Ori will call us cowards and never let us live it down, if we win, he will complain and still try to bring us down. Also, is Aliath really "banned from AL forever" as he claims?

Posted by: Techy Apr 4 2009, 10:31 AM
QUOTE (Dager007 @ Apr 4 2009, 11:13 AM)
First off...why on God's green earth would Aliath join SC? He hates Ori's guts. Second, I am willing to go either way. However, if we vote no, then Ori will call us cowards and never let us live it down, if we win, he will complain and still try to bring us down. Also, is Aliath really "banned from AL forever" as he claims?

I don't know why Ali joined. Slasher prob followed and he claim's he's trying to "fix SC."

Either we fight and
1. We win, get to gloat, and Ori will prob flame us and say we cheated
or
2. We lose, and they rub it in

If we don't fight
1. They'll flame us and call us scared and probably claim a "win"

Posted by: Dager007 Apr 4 2009, 10:35 AM
I pmed Aliath on Sal's, he wasn't clear on his goals, but I think he wants revenge against Techy.

Posted by: Techy Apr 4 2009, 10:42 AM
QUOTE (Dager007 @ Apr 4 2009, 11:35 AM)
I pmed Aliath on Sal's, he wasn't clear on his goals, but I think he wants revenge against Techy.

*shudders*

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Kerkennah Apr 4 2009, 11:22 AM
I really think we should have decided on this issue before declaring war.

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 11:25 AM
I didn't see there would be anywhere close to this level of opposition...frankly I still don't understand why we need to be timid about them instead of going out and handing it too them. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Chuffa Apr 4 2009, 11:26 AM
Why fight them? We don't need to prove anything to those idiots. Either way we will be flamed, there is no reason what so ever to bother with it. We could spend our time fighting someone worth our time than wasting it on idiots like those lot.

Posted by: blompty2 Apr 4 2009, 11:28 AM
If there idiots, then we shud kick there asses

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 11:28 AM
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Apr 4 2009, 04:26 PM)
Why fight them? We don't need to prove anything to those idiots. Either way we will be flamed, there is no reason what so ever to bother with it. We could spend our time fighting someone worth our time than wasting it on idiots like those lot.

Because they'll never stop otherwise! They THINK they're on a par with us, and so they'll keep flaming away! If we put them in their place with a smashing victory we won't have to worry about it anymore! ninja.gif

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 11:29 AM
QUOTE (blompty2 @ Apr 4 2009, 04:28 PM)
If there idiots, then we shud kick there asses

That's the essence of it right there. wub.gif

Posted by: Techy Apr 4 2009, 11:35 AM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 4 2009, 12:29 PM)
QUOTE (blompty2 @ Apr 4 2009, 04:28 PM)
If there idiots, then we shud kick there asses

That's the essence of it right there. wub.gif

+Over 9000?

Posted by: Kerkennah Apr 4 2009, 11:36 AM
I really don't think we should do this
3 of the council said no, i included hell because he just quit
and the warlord said no
these people help the leaders run the clan, and they dont' agree with this war so why we having it

also, all the new members are voting saying yes but yet they know nothing about what happened before, they are justing wanting beat sc, when they don't even know about their evil and waste of time ways.

Posted by: Chuffa Apr 4 2009, 11:42 AM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 4 2009, 11:28 AM)
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Apr 4 2009, 04:26 PM)
Why fight them? We don't need to prove anything to those idiots. Either way we will be flamed, there is no reason what so ever to bother with it. We could spend our time fighting someone worth our time than wasting it on idiots like those lot.

Because they'll never stop otherwise! They THINK they're on a par with us, and so they'll keep flaming away! If we put them in their place with a smashing victory we won't have to worry about it anymore! ninja.gif

...And we get flamed for winning too. If we win people will be like yeah whatever u can beat a crap clan.. If we don't fight Ori can say whatever, everyone knows we are one of the best lower level clans on Sal's. So don't worry about him.

Posted by: Kerkennah Apr 4 2009, 11:44 AM
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Apr 4 2009, 12:42 PM)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 4 2009, 11:28 AM)
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Apr 4 2009, 04:26 PM)
Why fight them? We don't need to prove anything to those idiots. Either way we will be flamed, there is no reason what so ever to bother with it. We could spend our time fighting someone worth our time than wasting it on idiots like those lot.

Because they'll never stop otherwise! They THINK they're on a par with us, and so they'll keep flaming away! If we put them in their place with a smashing victory we won't have to worry about it anymore! ninja.gif

...And we get flamed for winning too. If we win people will be like yeah whatever u can beat a crap clan.. If we don't fight Ori can say whatever, everyone knows we are one of the best lower level clans on Sal's. So don't worry about him.

exactly, I don't get why we are carring about what ori or sc thinks about us
who cares what they think, its only one clan out of so many in runescape,

Posted by: damon Apr 4 2009, 12:00 PM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 4 2009, 11:25 AM)
I didn't see there would be anywhere close to this level of opposition...frankly I still don't understand why we need to be timid about them instead of going out and handing it too them. biggrin.gif

yes u say that by why didnt u say that about matched opts with if

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 12:24 PM
Because I don't have beef with IF and I do with Sacred. Matched opts with IF is also a lot different than warring Sacred. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Apr 4 2009, 12:51 PM
The only clan this war is going to benefit is SC because if we win, they will flame, if we lose, they will gloat and flame, and if we do a no show, they will flame, gloat, and call it a win. Let's just forget them please.... No benefits from winning against them at all, and I'd like to keep my dignity

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 12:59 PM
This is getting tiresome and I don't want a flame war to break out and lose more face then we will already...I'm done posting on here now but you know where my feelings lie. dry.gif

Posted by: Dude12dragon Apr 4 2009, 02:03 PM
lets never war those noobs all they do is flare there just a bunch of low life noobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 02:39 PM
The more I think about this, this is my response: F them. SC is already defeating us by dividing us: member against member, leader against council, etc. Who really gives a [BEEP] what Sacred Champions thinks? We loath their guts anyway.

We'll just decline and find something else to do, preserving our sanity and clan integrity. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: blompty2 Apr 4 2009, 02:48 PM
So two pages of saying lets war them culminates into a alright lets not war them post. How can you just change your opinion like that?

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 02:52 PM
I'd still like to war them but I'm not going to risk tearing up the clan to do so.

Posted by: Chuffa Apr 4 2009, 03:28 PM
People are obviously in disagreement. Is it worth risking the future of the clan for revenge?

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 03:33 PM
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Apr 4 2009, 08:28 PM)
People are obviously in disagreement. Is it worth risking the future of the clan for revenge?

Emm...did you read my last post? blink.gif

Posted by: Dager007 Apr 4 2009, 03:47 PM
Well...it's a no go. The only thing bugging me is that we already told Ori we would war him so if we don't he will never let us live it down. HOWEVER, now that I see it, this will only be an inside joke between the two clans, and if Ori tries to make a Sal's topic saying how we wussed out, it would only turn out like my infamous truce thread. This method will cause a few days of drama, but actually warring them causes WEEKS of drama.

Posted by: Kerkennah Apr 4 2009, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 4 2009, 03:52 PM)
I'd still like to war them but I'm not going to risk tearing up the clan to do so.

Obviously I would rather not war them, but if the decision came that we had to, I wouldn't keep going against it.

Posted by: red ring 95 Apr 4 2009, 08:49 PM
its not about us beating them or them beating us. either way it goes down, they are going to do something retarded like post a no post war, or call you cheaters, or whatever.

either way, its going to end up getting AL's reputation dragged through the dirt... again.

btw i agree that y'all should stop hassling them

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 4 2009, 09:19 PM
Yeah...this isn't even close anymore in terms of the vote. I'll go ahead and lock this now and inform Sacred tomorrow that we're no longer interested in warring.

This marks a new precedent in AL history, and although I'm personally not thrilled about it, it's probably for the best and should be a reminder to all of us that the clan's agenda, not our own, must come first.

EDIT: I might as well just leave it unlocked. wink.gif

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Apr 13 2009, 01:47 AM
QUOTE (,Apr 13 2009 @ 01:39 AM)
We don't really need to war them...

Epic bump much? CLosed.

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