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Posted by: damon Mar 29 2009, 10:35 PM
we are gonna war if matched opts in the next 3 weeks.. and yes this is a declaration.. im sick and tired of redup complaining that al wins in numbers.. he is full of [BEEP]... last time u saw the pulled what 10? yet our highest 10 outleveled them, and they still complain about being outleveled.. ive really had enough.. this is a war if anything to prove al can fight a matched opts clan and win.. im not saying we are turning into a matched opts warring clan... im just saying we need this 1 war... so... for this war i wanna try to organize with our highest levels just for 1 fight and when we win we can hold that win to them everytime they claim we outnumber them.

Posted by: mastaofmelee Mar 29 2009, 10:58 PM
Dude give me a time and I'll try to be there. I'm all about shutting up a complaining clan. wink.gif My combat level's 103, 100 f2p (almost 101). I'll let my bro know, Bad Santa95, his combat's about 115.

Posted by: Kerkennah Mar 29 2009, 11:11 PM
My combat is too low to participate in one of these, But I would come and cheer you guys on smile.gif Choosing the correct people at one of these wars is whats important, you have to know who is binding and who is sniping and everything to know who to pick. I think that will be the most important thing, oh and also who tanks best and stuff.

Posted by: damon Mar 29 2009, 11:56 PM
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Mar 29 2009, 11:11 PM)
My combat is too low to participate in one of these, But I would come and cheer you guys on smile.gif Choosing the correct people at one of these wars is whats important, you have to know who is binding and who is sniping and everything to know who to pick. I think that will be the most important thing, oh and also who tanks best and stuff.

yea i dont like excluding people but thats why we only need to do this once.. after we get the monkey off our back we can stick to fullouts again

Posted by: Techy Mar 30 2009, 05:45 AM
I'll come and pwn Redup wub.gif

Posted by: Golden arm42 Mar 30 2009, 06:28 AM
No. This is a stupid idea and you just got completely goaded by Red. Who cares what he thinks? If he doesn't want to war us fullout he doesn't need to accept. There's a reason why he's a 95+ clan and we're a 75+ clan; they're SUPPOSED to have higher levels than we are. It's also not fair to the people like K Arthur and Blompty and such who come to wars, get everything ready, spend half an hour massing...and then get dropped.

If you go through with this, you've been completed suckered by Redup, and that's EXACTLY what he wants. You won't have got the best of him; he'd have got the best of you. You're a great guy and I know you've got a lot of pride but there's a time to step back and think about it and not just charge ahead. blink.gif

Posted by: mastaofmelee Mar 30 2009, 08:09 AM
I can see where you're coming from Golden but I don't think we'll have to worry about the lower level people in our clan if we go about this the right way. We should have chosen a group of our top 10 or 15 people that will be in the war beforehand so that we don't have to drop people at the last minute. If we do it should only be a small number depending on how many the other clan gets together. My combat level's only 100, so I might be one to get dropped but I wouldn't mind honestly. As long as we got to go and beat this guy at his own game.

But, you are the boss man so I'm not contradicting anything you say. If you really don't want us to go then just put your foot down. And just so you know, I can understand what you're saying. smile.gif

Posted by: Lamb Bug Mar 30 2009, 09:11 AM
With our best pull ever, we barely equalled them in levels.

My main problem with this is not fighting itself, but the way it came about. Red completely goaded Damon into this, and Damon took his bait hook, line and sinker.

We shouldn't fight.

Posted by: Magikman262 Mar 30 2009, 01:19 PM
im gunna be brutally honest here ...

Damon is right . i hate to admit it . but he is .

you guys would take IF matched opts if you can co ordinate all ur high levels going .

Posted by: mastaofmelee Mar 30 2009, 02:06 PM
Well I would like to fight but both of our leaders are saying that we shouldn't and they know best. I've just joined and I'm not about to make myself sound like a jerk. All I know is that I like to fight and if we have someone complaining then I'd like to shut them up. But, I can see it from the perspective of the leaders and it's their clan. I'll personally stay out of this fight.

Posted by: damon Mar 30 2009, 02:09 PM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Mar 30 2009, 06:28 AM)
No. This is a stupid idea and you just got completely goaded by Red. Who cares what he thinks? If he doesn't want to war us fullout he doesn't need to accept. There's a reason why he's a 95+ clan and we're a 75+ clan; they're SUPPOSED to have higher levels than we are. It's also not fair to the people like K Arthur and Blompty and such who come to wars, get everything ready, spend half an hour massing...and then get dropped.

If you go through with this, you've been completed suckered by Redup, and that's EXACTLY what he wants. You won't have got the best of him; he'd have got the best of you. You're a great guy and I know you've got a lot of pride but there's a time to step back and think about it and not just charge ahead. blink.gif

no first of all.. we out leveled them when we did fight them.. second of all, people are starting to get the impression we can only win a war in which we outnumber our enemies.. and this has been the case in all of our wars.. and im not just talking about redup.. after every post on sals now we get feedback saying that we win cuz of our numbers.. which isnt true.. im sure we outskill If as well in wars which is why i wanna war them. And yes they are 95+ and we are 75+.. but we clearly have the level advantage last time we fought. and im not saying we drop people, as i was trying to set up who would come, and its more then my personal pride.. i got my pride out of tanking them dry.. this is for AL's pride.. we are starting to lose respect after every war and people are looking at us as like ants and beat up on people cuz we double thier numbers.. thats bull [BEEP].. we have skills in wars as well... even if we do lose... it will show us what we can do..

Posted by: Lamb Bug Mar 30 2009, 02:11 PM
New idea Damon.

Put a poll in the Council of Members forum. Just inform the members that if they are not 95-100+, they won't be fighting.

I will do the same for the Council of Elders.

If the members vote to fight, we fight. If they vote not to, we don't.

Agreed?

Posted by: damon Mar 30 2009, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Lamb Bug @ Mar 30 2009, 09:11 AM)
With our best pull ever, we barely equalled them in levels.

My main problem with this is not fighting itself, but the way it came about. Red completely goaded Damon into this, and Damon took his bait hook, line and sinker.

We shouldn't fight.

how the [BEEP] am i goaded? its called proving them wrong.. its not baiting us... they are using whatever they can to diminish us... red knows we would own him in matched opts.. but he knows u also wouldnt accept 1, therefore he will keep holding that against us.. he is not conning us into a war in his favor.... plus isnt getting wars in our favor all we ever do? I mean really.. we only accept wars we know we can win.. a matched opts is a fair fight 90% of the time and in our case with IF it would b for sure.. And our best pull ever we barely equalled them? no... i beleive we had 11 100+ that war... and If had a total of 10 members.. in which only 8 were 100+... if that isnt domination.. idk wat is.... that was not equal... we clearly outleveled them no ifs ands or buts. We should fight for the pride of al... the pride of worth ethic.. the pride of being a skilled warring clan and not a bunch of kamikazes that through out crazy number to beat their opponents

Posted by: Golden arm42 Mar 30 2009, 02:42 PM
QUOTE (mastaofmelee @ Mar 30 2009, 01:09 PM)
I can see where you're coming from Golden but I don't think we'll have to worry about the lower level people in our clan if we go about this the right way. We should have chosen a group of our top 10 or 15 people that will be in the war beforehand so that we don't have to drop people at the last minute. If we do it should only be a small number depending on how many the other clan gets together. My combat level's only 100, so I might be one to get dropped but I wouldn't mind honestly. As long as we got to go and beat this guy at his own game.

But, you are the boss man so I'm not contradicting anything you say. If you really don't want us to go then just put your foot down. And just so you know, I can understand what you're saying. smile.gif

Look, this isn't about me ramming it down your guys' throat. It shouldn't be like that. It's just not a wise idea; for the reasons I stated earlier. We should be focused (Damon, you've said this before) on improving our warring performance, not fighting to appease other clan leaders. Think: does Redup have our best interests at heart? Of course not. He's simply eager to goad AL into fighting a war that wouldn't be advantageous for us to fight. IF is freaking 95+! It's not like we'd be humiliating ourselves to not fight them matche; rather, it's simply common sense. Discretion is the better part of valor.

I honestly think this is a bad idea, but let's put it in the members' hands with a poll. I'll go along with whichever side wins out.

Posted by: Kerkennah Mar 30 2009, 03:30 PM
I don't see why it matters whether we do matched or not, I see lots of clans pulling 30s and 40s to a war and nothing is said, We are an active clan, that guy red is just jealous his clan can't pull above 16 people. We have the potential to pull 30 maybe even 40 to a war

Posted by: damon Mar 30 2009, 03:51 PM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Mar 30 2009, 02:42 PM)
QUOTE (mastaofmelee @ Mar 30 2009, 01:09 PM)
I can see where you're coming from Golden but I don't think we'll have to worry about the lower level people in our clan if we go about this the right way.  We should have chosen a group of our top 10 or 15 people that will be in the war beforehand so that we don't have to drop people at the last minute.  If we do it should only be a small number depending on how many the other clan gets together.  My combat level's only 100, so I might be one to get dropped but I wouldn't mind honestly.  As long as we got to go and beat this guy at his own game.

But, you are the boss man so I'm not contradicting anything you say.  If you really don't want us to go then just put your foot down.  And just so you know, I can understand what you're saying.  smile.gif

Look, this isn't about me ramming it down your guys' throat. It shouldn't be like that. It's just not a wise idea; for the reasons I stated earlier. We should be focused (Damon, you've said this before) on improving our warring performance, not fighting to appease other clan leaders. Think: does Redup have our best interests at heart? Of course not. He's simply eager to goad AL into fighting a war that wouldn't be advantageous for us to fight. IF is freaking 95+! It's not like we'd be humiliating ourselves to not fight them matche; rather, it's simply common sense. Discretion is the better part of valor.

I honestly think this is a bad idea, but let's put it in the members' hands with a poll. I'll go along with whichever side wins out.

i said in 3 weeks this way would go down if anything... so thats plenty of time to practice warring... plus check this topic out..

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Ancient_Legion/index.php?showtopic=3482

Posted by: mastaofmelee Mar 30 2009, 03:59 PM
Dude I'm not saying your ramming anything down our throats, I don't mean to sound like that. I'm just saying I really don't know much about the clan stuff, I've been here like 2 weeks. I'm gonna go with what you say as the leader. I was just thinkin it'd be fun to have a war to matter how we fought it.

Posted by: Chuffa Mar 30 2009, 03:59 PM
If, and only IF, we get me, Dark, Yam etc to fight, all on together, then yes, if we can't pull our highest then it's a waste of time.

Posted by: Dager007 Mar 30 2009, 04:20 PM
Trust me, Redup never stops complaining, he always pmed me when I lead *that certain clan* telling me to "get that oreo under control" and stuff like that. In truth IF refuses to recruit, and although I praise their strength in high combat levels, Redup needs to get with the times and stop trying to bring people to his level. Another thing, I only see 3 people that say that we can't fight matched opts: Micael Fatia, who is arrogant and too high on 3x's thrown to know whats going on witht the mid-sized clan world, Orichocos, who will say ANYTHING to bring us down, and Redup, who complains about everything.

Posted by: mastaofmelee Mar 30 2009, 04:28 PM
I agree with Chuff. Even if the clan decides to fight we don't need to if we can't get a lot of our best guys together. We can't prove anything by losing.

Posted by: Dager007 Mar 30 2009, 04:34 PM
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see us do a matched opts for research purposes, but not because Redup is whinning about it. TBH I think we are throwing away a great strength just to please a few arrogant idiots on Sal's.

Posted by: Techy Mar 30 2009, 04:43 PM
Even though I would love to pwn Red, I don't think its in our best of interests now just to show IF we can win with matched ops.

Posted by: Kerkennah Mar 30 2009, 05:42 PM
QUOTE (Dager007 @ Mar 30 2009, 05:34 PM)
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see us do a matched opts for research purposes, but not because Redup is whinning about it. TBH I think we are throwing away a great strength just to please a few arrogant idiots on Sal's.

I think we should start ignoring these idiots on sal's and post on zybez wub.gif


Posted by: damon Mar 30 2009, 08:12 PM
no its more then proving people wrong. its about seeing what we can do too. i wanna actually see where our skills lie at best as well.. There is lots of room for error when you outnumber the other clan by more the double.. i wanna at least see how good we are too... there is more then just what people say.. still.. that is a factor, because posts like that can hurt our recruiting, or instead thwart the recruiting of more members.

Posted by: thegame910 Mar 31 2009, 03:28 PM
personally i think its a good idea....like a contest of the elite, see how the best members of each clan can do

Posted by: the thief207 Mar 31 2009, 07:48 PM
QUOTE
No. This is a stupid idea and you just got completely goaded by Red. Who cares what he thinks? If he doesn't want to war us fullout he doesn't need to accept. There's a reason why he's a 95+ clan and we're a 75+ clan; they're SUPPOSED to have higher levels than we are. It's also not fair to the people like K Arthur and Blompty and such who come to wars, get everything ready, spend half an hour massing...and then get dropped.

yeah we shouldnt have to reface them because they had the higher levles against us because probably about 1/4 to half this clan is below 95 banana.gif

Posted by: the thief207 Mar 31 2009, 07:53 PM
i voted yes before i read the replies and all that but im changing to no banana.gif

Posted by: Imso Hot Apr 1 2009, 08:22 AM
We might aswell prove him our might by owning his clan 100% in matched ops tongue.gif

but chuffa says the truth, we can't fight without some certain people attending (Game masta, Chuffa, Yam, Dark, Koli, me, Damon etc)

Posted by: Dude12dragon Apr 4 2009, 03:29 PM
yes we should war this guys because we need show that its not just our numbers that win wars but our lvls to angry.gif Fire.gif

Posted by: lordblack656 Apr 14 2009, 07:07 AM
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Mar 30 2009, 03:30 PM)
I don't see why it matters whether we do matched or not, I see lots of clans pulling 30s and 40s to a war and nothing is said, We are an active clan, that guy red is just jealous his clan can't pull above 16 people. We have the potential to pull 30 maybe even 40 to a war

damn straight, were the best clan out there! they shouldnt be saying that were cheating when were not, were just doing what we do =P. and if we do have this war i will definately come to cheer u guys on cuz im definately not good enough to participate =) gl

Posted by: Golden arm42 Apr 14 2009, 07:28 AM
Please don't post on 10 day old topics, Lord. rolleyes.gif

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