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Ancient Legion > Council of Members > Stronger Application process.


Posted by: Chuffa Mar 10 2009, 01:56 PM
Latley, alot of new members have joined, and been inactive or immature or flamed. This isn't really what we want here is it?

I propose a better application process.

Firstly, i think that someone suggested a recruitment team the other day, had a good idea, which i firstly dismissed. But if you think about it, they could check members, get to know them, and push our recruitment topics.

Secondly, i think we should do a little check on applicants, eg. check Runehead to see if they multi clan.

Thirdly, i think we should vote on wether an applicant should be accepted, as an AL member may already know this person and could show support, or oppositly, show us their true colours.

This is just a general consensus, and the idea's would be refined more if this idea was to be passed.


Posted by: blompty2 Mar 10 2009, 01:59 PM
Yeah a recuritement team would be a good idea. Could'nt you just give this power to seniors though?

Posted by: Chuffa Mar 10 2009, 02:00 PM
There are alot of seniors. We would only need a few, in different timezones, we don't have that many applications.

Posted by: Lit Mar 10 2009, 02:05 PM
Completely agreed. I also think the Recruitment Team should be a complete different group from Senior Members.

Posted by: 40 def robin Mar 10 2009, 02:30 PM
3 cheers for chuffa!!

Posted by: damon Mar 10 2009, 02:45 PM
i think thats almost along the same topic as this:

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Ancient_Legion/index.php?showtopic=3127

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 10 2009, 03:26 PM
I agree. Lately, we've had some new applicants here at AL either not show any effort (Waffles) or just cause trouble (Athen). If we want to thrive as a clan, we need to be more watchful as to who comes to AL.

Posted by: dflame58 Mar 10 2009, 03:49 PM
i agree.

my suggestions. we accetp them to trial and then vote to make them a full member.

Posted by: Kerkennah Mar 10 2009, 04:06 PM
I think we really need to do this, we are getting mass new members but only a few are really ones who participate in the clan.
I think we need to promote some new people who will manage accepting people into the clan, and they can also manage recruitment topics on various sites. They can also update our topic, because ours is quite old, its like from clan events that happened in june and july.

Posted by: Golden arm42 Mar 10 2009, 04:12 PM
I think this would be cubersome and not very practical. Lamb and I actually do a "background check" on all accounts that are validated: we search them on Runescape hiscores (make sure they're a legit account), IP tracer (make sure they're not a spy) and Runehead seach (to make sure they're not in another clan). It's not like we just validate any and all random cranks. tongue.gif

Recruitment team: I don't really see the point. Certainly, it would be great if people could help out by bumping topics/welcoming new people, but Lamb bumps the topics at least twice a day, so I don't see the point of making a team for that reason alone.

New recruits: I think we've just had bad luck. There's no point to voting in people because that would take an excessive amount of time.

Just my thoughts. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: K Arthur90 Mar 10 2009, 05:24 PM
I'm split on this one:
On one hand, having a recruiting team could be an interesting thing, as well a quicker way of either changing trial membs to full membs or removing thein accounts from the forum.
However, as Lamb said, he and Golden already do that, and, apart from a few unfortunate exceptions, they have been doing a great job. Also, part of the Council and Seniors' job is to make sure the applicants, as well the full members are still "according" to their application, and if they are still interested of being part of a community. Also, the voting would not be able to include all AL's members as it would take a hell of a time to gather everyone's votes, as well the voting being oligocratic and not democratic, since only the Council, and possibly the Seniors would be able to vote.

I say that we keep it the way it is, for now. If we keep getting unwanted people, or members that don't act accordingly to Internet Ethics, Runescape Ethics and RL Ethics, we should rethink our application progress.

Posted by: dflame58 Mar 10 2009, 06:32 PM
well lamb and golden seem to be doing a good job smile.gif

Posted by: tomilson21 Mar 10 2009, 07:05 PM
I 100% agree a recruitment team would work great and of course lamb and golden are in charge but we could act as theyre congress if u understand what i mean.

Posted by: Dude12dragon Mar 10 2009, 08:20 PM
I think cuffa is right we should have all of this done smile.gif

Posted by: 101laxkid2 Mar 10 2009, 09:52 PM
QUOTE (K Arthur90 @ Mar 10 2009, 06:24 PM)
I'm split on this one:
On one hand, having a recruiting team could be an interesting thing, as well a quicker way of either changing trial membs to full membs or removing thein accounts from the forum.
However, as Lamb said, he and Golden already do that, and, apart from a few unfortunate exceptions, they have been doing a great job. Also, part of the Council and Seniors' job is to make sure the applicants, as well the full members are still "according" to their application, and if they are still interested of being part of a community. Also, the voting would not be able to include all AL's members as it would take a hell of a time to gather everyone's votes, as well the voting being oligocratic and not democratic, since only the Council, and possibly the Seniors would be able to vote.

I say that we keep it the way it is, for now. If we keep getting unwanted people, or members that don't act accordingly to Internet Ethics, Runescape Ethics and RL Ethics, we should rethink our application progress.


I agree with arthur on this one. We should wait it out to see if there is any more disturbances, and if it is true and the quality of Runescapians (<-- Heh. tongue.gif ) is just decreasing, then we should go with a team.

Suppose we did make a recruitment team, I think that Lamb and Golden should be like the heads. This way, We can spread out and speed up our app acceptance time while at the same time keeping those who do it well at the head. Also, if the problem became bigger, it could become two much for just to ppl to handle, in which case we could mkae a team designed for this wink.gif

Also, this team could scan over forums on side-rs sites like Tip.it and Sals to find possible recruits. it could greatly increase the amount of recruits we gain, increasing the clan size and power and thus becoming more effective wink.gif

Well, thats just what I think. Tell me what you think wink.gif

Posted by: Ritalin11 Mar 10 2009, 10:37 PM
I agree, we should make it stronger so we don't get so many losers in here then there needs to be

Posted by: Imso Hot Mar 11 2009, 02:36 AM
Voting for clan members and trial time (1 week?) is good idea tongue.gif

We get to know the peoples and everyone can vote as they like

Posted by: animal magik Mar 11 2009, 03:50 AM
I agree on improving the application process, but I don't think we need a special recruitment team.

Posted by: Chuffa Mar 12 2009, 01:18 PM
What about voting once a member has has their two weeks of trial, to see if members deem them worthy of joining us.

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 12 2009, 01:23 PM
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Mar 12 2009, 01:18 PM)
What about voting once a member has has thier two weeks of trial, to see if members deem them worthy of joining us.

I think it wouldn't be too hard to get a vote if the clan likes new members to deem them worthy of full members status. Plus not everyone in the clan has to vote, just a short majority rules vote, like say first to 10 votes. That wouldn't be too hard not to mention its not hard to maintain some polls.

Posted by: dflame58 Mar 12 2009, 02:48 PM
we could just not hold a vote and just see if there are bad things to say about the person

Posted by: aaron pfft 9 Mar 12 2009, 03:46 PM
hmm i don't really know tbh but what are the actual reqs for clan???

Posted by: Golden arm42 Mar 12 2009, 04:05 PM
75+.

I really don't see the point; you're assuming that people are guilty until voted innocent. Why not just punish those who don't follow the rules and not vote on every new member who's behaving himself? wink.gif

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 12 2009, 04:50 PM
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Mar 12 2009, 04:05 PM)
75+.

I really don't see the point; you're assuming that people are guilty until voted innocent. Why not just punish those who don't follow the rules and not vote on every new member who's behaving himself? wink.gif

Well Golden, can we please compromise? Just about everyone wants to at least try it except you and Lamb. This would make the entire clan feel like they have more say and feel good about themselves.

Could we try this method out for two weeks and see if it works. All a new member needs to become a full member would be 10+ votes in favor.

Posted by: Golden arm42 Mar 12 2009, 05:11 PM
Sure, sure. I was just explaining why I thought it was not worth doing.

If we're going to do this, how will it be done? Lamb and I accept him, and then like a week later, the clan votes to accept him or not? Explain pl0x. tongue.gif

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 12 2009, 05:40 PM
I suggest the following

After you validate and they become trial member, they post on forums and whatnot. After 2 weeks, I will ( or someone else will) put up a poll to make the certain trial member be up for vote to become full member. First to either 10 votes or 75% majority rule in favor will make the trail member a full member. Will this work?

Posted by: emad Mar 12 2009, 06:01 PM
QUOTE (Ritalin11 @ Mar 10 2009, 10:37 PM)
I agree, we should make it stronger so we don't get so many losers in here then there needs to be

Yeah, we don't need any more people like you...Jk lol We should have a vote if someone can join.

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 12 2009, 06:13 PM
QUOTE (emad @ Mar 12 2009, 06:01 PM)
QUOTE (Ritalin11 @ Mar 10 2009, 10:37 PM)
I agree, we should make it stronger so we don't get so many losers in here then there needs to be

Yeah, we don't need any more people like you...Jk lol We should have a vote if someone can join.

Yea Emad, we are trying it out now. We just need our first batch of new members to hit the two week mark.

Posted by: K Arthur90 Mar 12 2009, 06:26 PM
Should we have a forum that only members can see, so the trial member shan't see what's being discussd about him/her, or do you think it better to make it public and open?

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 12 2009, 06:33 PM
That is actually more then we need and it really complicates things. We will just have a vote when someone reaches the 2 week mark in their stay here. When we have either a majority vote or 10 votes in favor, they'll be given the rank of "full member."

Sure, we can still leave thoughts about them, but if we did this in a new forum that only normal members can see, there wouldn't be a point to it. As soon as the trail member got full member status, they can see what everyone said about them in the poll. lol

Posted by: Chuffa Mar 13 2009, 02:31 AM
I think this will just ensure we don't get any idiots here who make others leave.

It could also help trial members, say the didn't get x amount of posts, but showed to a war and really did well.. then i think they'd get voted in.

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 13 2009, 03:48 AM
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Mar 13 2009, 02:31 AM)
I think this will just ensure we don't get any idiots here who make others leave.

It could also help trial members, say the didn't get x amount of posts, but showed to a war and really did well.. then i think they'd get voted in.

A good example of what Chuffa explained is Jaal. She's been very helpful in game, even though she doesn't post here much. But she's attended more then 2 events.

Posted by: Lamb Bug Mar 13 2009, 06:51 AM
Jaal is ftw.

Now that you explained this, I agree. I had thought it was the clan voting on accepting applications into a trial member, and that would be so slow and cumbersome.

Posted by: starwolf_ftw Mar 13 2009, 10:25 AM
QUOTE (Lamb Bug @ Mar 13 2009, 06:51 AM)
Jaal is ftw.

Now that you explained this, I agree. I had thought it was the clan voting on accepting applications into a trial member, and that would be so slow and cumbersome.

Holy crap! Wolfeh said something that made senes!!! lol tongue.gif That doesn't normally happen, examples for the win! (that means you Jaal wub.gif )

Posted by: Chuffa Mar 13 2009, 03:38 PM
We got the go ahead?

PS, why are people automatically trial members when they register?

Posted by: Lit Mar 13 2009, 04:27 PM
QUOTE (Chuffa @ Mar 13 2009, 06:38 PM)
We got the go ahead?

PS, why are people automatically trial members when they register?

Firstly they're Validating Members. When they get accepted, Trial Members.

Posted by: 101laxkid2 Mar 15 2009, 09:21 PM
yea, they just appear as trial mems...

Also, not sure If I already said this, but maybe we could ahve people who actually go out and "recruit"?

What I mean is that they scan forums of other popular runescape-assistant sites, such as Tip.it or Sals Realm of Runescape, and look for members who might be a boost to our clan. They could refer them to our forum site, and from there they could apply and (possibly) become a member.

Just a thought. Ive seen other clans do it, but I havent really seen how it works out.

Posted by: Chuffa Mar 17 2009, 05:35 PM
Good idea, people post theads like "level 100 looking for clan"

You don't ask you don't get tongue.gif

Posted by: Lamb Bug Mar 17 2009, 08:44 PM
Emmm...we do this every time. smile.gif

Posted by: 101laxkid2 Mar 18 2009, 06:25 PM
Didn't realize

Posted by: Banana_Pure9 Mar 30 2009, 04:49 PM
Great Idea!
And I firstly would LOVE to be a part of the registration team, passing up my last rank possibility, and to prove that this failure of a clan leader can be a great clanmate. I would love to recruit aswell.

Anything I can do to prove myself to this great community SS has begged to be a pa--err..Joined forced with. Yeeeaaah, that's it, joined, mhm.

Anyways, I hereby post my application:
-4 years of runescape experience
-one clan that survived, one that didnt
(leadership experience)
-It takes a ClanNoob to know a ClanNoob?

Wow, I'm coming on strong to this, especially as a new joiner.
Ah well.

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