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Title: Last Hope for the Clan
Description: The New Democracy


ancients own man - June 24, 2008 10:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
The idea for a council is now officially closed. I thought that it would be a great way for the clan to grow and expand, but after less than a week, it's turned into a major divisive issue. Therefore, we will not be having a council. Maybe later, when everyone's cooled down.


No Golden you dont get off that easy. You and tech are the two most powerful on the forums and all you're doing is using your power the wrong way. You start a topic like this and close it so no one can voice their opinion? Answer me this Do you honestly want a democracy? I want the true answer on this... I was fine with You and Lamb running things and i was against council at first, but your abusing power atm. With Lamb gone your acting like the owner of this clan. I never thought that YOU would be this hungry for power golden. How are you going to say the council was a divisive issue? It wasnt, it was the way you intervene. How are we suppose to have a democracy if your just gonna intervene anyways? Democracy means for the people, by the people, and from the people. Your just making it For the people. Which in a sense is dictatorship.. Your making the decisions of how to vote FOR us.... Thats why i stand perfectly firm when i say that there should be a checks and balance system. And this is how it would work...

The Regular Members..
They should be able to have control over who is selected in council and have the power of majority veto what the council does in case they do something stupid or make a dumb decision. They should be allowed to vote on whether they agree on coucil descisions, yet the council will be the ones proposing the ideas.

The Council..
The council is voted by the regular members and they are in charge of making sure that the Leader (gold and lamb) dont do anything irrational. They vote on whether or not gold and lamb are doing something right or not. The council should also be in charge of most clan decision, who the clan wars ect. But they cannot say we fight some1 without the majority vote from the members, they can only suggest things.

The Leaders..
The leaders will have the power to make sure the regualar members are voting for council members fairly, and the leaders will have total acess to whatever goes on in clan, but CANNOT influence council votings or regular members elections. They control what goes on the forums ect. But they will need the popular vote of the council to get stuff done. While the council controls clan events, the leaders control the forums and can propose new changes to forum,but they will be voted upon by the council.

This is my last hope and if this fails, i have failed as a member of this clan. Golden and tech I apoligize for any offensive comments i may have said to you and i do wish the best for the clan and this is the only fair thing i can come up with. Checks and Balances... Each of the 3 Groups would have the same amount of power so an incident like this does not occur again. Please consider my proposition and do not close, lock , or delete this, i want everybody to read this and post their thoughts.

~~~ 4ncient5 0wn~~~

Tech, Golden I Do not hate you guys nor do i dislike you guys but if we wanna salvage this clan, you need to squash this.

Now back to a more friendly note. I LOVE YOU ALL!!
:wub:

W0lf Rang0r - June 24, 2008 10:19 PM (GMT)
i do disagree ancient he handled it well by not having council he wasnt getting off it he wants there to be no arguement left it is the best way to stop it, hes meant to step up hes a leader aswell as lamb people have had their opinion on this a democracy doesnt work thats shown,. he is not power abusing enough tbh tech is the prime example of power abusing.

FiveBrain - June 24, 2008 10:27 PM (GMT)
Well said ancient I agree with everything you said :D

ancients own man - June 24, 2008 10:29 PM (GMT)
i say cancelling the council gives him absolute power again... we had problems already with warring clans that were too strong and stuff... my plan would end this.
These wars we be fighting i have no idea there is a war till after its been decided. This would end the complaining of who we war since the majority of the people will be voting on it. If they approve we war. Just and example of my plan. Plus say i was in the council and i wasnt very good council member, the members could vote me out of the council and vote to select a new council member to take my spot.

W0lf Rang0r - June 24, 2008 10:38 PM (GMT)
Democracys don't work out it would just finish this clan off

ancients own man - June 24, 2008 10:43 PM (GMT)
explain why this wouldnt work? Plus we are having trouble with his absolute rule

prankitzu - June 24, 2008 10:48 PM (GMT)
I understand that I'm a new member and have only been a member for about 2 weeks, but I've been in a few clans in my day (none for rs). From my past experiences I've noticed that clans that are a democracacy seem to grow more and be more prosperous than those that are a dictatorship/totalitarian-esque.

With that said, I'm not saying that Golden and lamb can't run this clan efficiently.

W0lf Rang0r - June 24, 2008 10:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ancients own man @ Jun 24 2008, 05:43 PM)
explain why this wouldnt work? Plus we are having trouble with his absolute rule

I'm on my iPod in bed it takes me ages to say studff and hurts my wright tomorow morning I'll say

madriftz - June 24, 2008 11:00 PM (GMT)
thread is 2 long i didnt read :lol: :ph43r:

evilmidget38 - June 25, 2008 12:04 AM (GMT)
i am kinda torn a few ways.I wont say which ways i am torn to hel p keep order but i think this might help a bit.I dont really know.

my homies69 - June 25, 2008 12:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (W0lf Rang0r @ Jun 24 2008, 05:38 PM)
Democracys don't work out it would just finish this clan off

man, keep your stupid remarks for urself. you definetly don't do good for the clan setting us up against eachother

Lamb Bug - June 25, 2008 12:51 AM (GMT)
Come on I am gone for a few days and all heck breaks loose? Everyone is talking about how Golden is seizing power, but most (not all) of the things that he has done have been with my knowledge and backing. Ancient's system would work, but Tech is the one who is trying to seize power. Me and Golden thought that bagging the council thing temporarily would help calm down things. Can't everyone just take a chill pill and we can work this out?

Kerkennah - June 25, 2008 12:56 AM (GMT)
I think you guys should all stop fighting because that tears a clan apart

Lamb Bug - June 25, 2008 12:58 AM (GMT)
I completely, totally 100 percent agree with Kerkennah. We need to all think this over.

Hurricane - June 25, 2008 12:58 AM (GMT)
first of welcome back lamb, we missed you sorely,
second, the board needs to be closed for a day or
two and have private talks with the main people,
three, ancient handled this well
four, tech and golden i think we're trying to get more
power ok
Lamb I will send you a kind pm ok please read it :|

~Star

Golden arm42 - June 25, 2008 01:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ancients own man @ Jun 24 2008, 10:08 PM)
QUOTE
The idea for a council is now officially closed. I thought that it would be a great way for the clan to grow and expand, but after less than a week, it's turned into a major divisive issue. Therefore, we will not be having a council. Maybe later, when everyone's cooled down.


No Golden you dont get off that easy. You and tech are the two most powerful on the forums and all you're doing is using your power the wrong way. You start a topic like this and close it so no one can voice their opinion? Answer me this Do you honestly want a democracy? I want the true answer on this... I was fine with You and Lamb running things and i was against council at first, but your abusing power atm. With Lamb gone your acting like the owner of this clan. I never thought that YOU would be this hungry for power golden. How are you going to say the council was a divisive issue? It wasnt, it was the way you intervene. How are we suppose to have a democracy if your just gonna intervene anyways? Democracy means for the people, by the people, and from the people. Your just making it For the people. Which in a sense is dictatorship.. Your making the decisions of how to vote FOR us.... Thats why i stand perfectly firm when i say that there should be a checks and balance system. And this is how it would work...

The Regular Members..
They should be able to have control over who is selected in council and have the power of majority veto what the council does in case they do something stupid or make a dumb decision. They should be allowed to vote on whether they agree on coucil descisions, yet the council will be the ones proposing the ideas.

The Council..
The council is voted by the regular members and they are in charge of making sure that the Leader (gold and lamb) dont do anything irrational. They vote on whether or not gold and lamb are doing something right or not. The council should also be in charge of most clan decision, who the clan wars ect. But they cannot say we fight some1 without the majority vote from the members, they can only suggest things.

The Leaders..
The leaders will have the power to make sure the regualar members are voting for council members fairly, and the leaders will have total acess to whatever goes on in clan, but CANNOT influence council votings or regular members elections. They control what goes on the forums ect. But they will need the popular vote of the council to get stuff done. While the council controls clan events, the leaders control the forums and can propose new changes to forum,but they will be voted upon by the council.

This is my last hope and if this fails, i have failed as a member of this clan. Golden and tech I apoligize for any offensive comments i may have said to you and i do wish the best for the clan and this is the only fair thing i can come up with. Checks and Balances... Each of the 3 Groups would have the same amount of power so an incident like this does not occur again. Please consider my proposition and do not close, lock , or delete this, i want everybody to read this and post their thoughts.

~~~ 4ncient5 0wn~~~

Tech, Golden I Do not hate you guys nor do i dislike you guys but if we wanna salvage this clan, you need to squash this.

Now back to a more friendly note. I LOVE YOU ALL!!
:wub:

Ancient, I think your plan could work with a few minor objections. Before anyone quits hastily, lets try to work this out.


However, I will quit the clan before Tech is allowed back in. He quit once to set out on his own, and we let him back in. Lamb and I trusted him enough to give him admin cp access, but then he starts changing forum stuff and making himself a mod of everything. Finally, he mounts a coup. However, he's done with, and we have serious business to settle.

Let me say some of my objections to some of the stuff you said.

First point: you ask if I truly want a democracy. If I didn't want a democracy, and if I wanted to maintain "absolute power", then why on earth would I propose a council? If it where to pass, it would certainly weaken my power. If I was all about power, I would have never formulated the idea for the council.

Second point: you say I have seized control of the forums from everyone, including Lamb. I can tell you with complete conviction that everything I did I asked Lamb about (he's my bro, after all). And every action that I took was supported by Lamb. Simple as that. I'm the only one who posted because he got grounded. That doesn't mean he was unaware or uninformed of the situation.

Third point: you think the council wasn't a divisive issue. How, then was there battle lines drawn hours after I first posted the idea? First, Tech created forums, posted topics, and made the council in his own image without even asking, let alone receiving permission. Then, there was moaning about the Golden/Lamb council plan. Next, there was argument about who could/could not vote. Finally, Tech starts making a big deal about whose freaking council voting plan would be adopted. You can't tell me with a straight face that it wasn't a divisive issue from the start.

4. It's of the people, by the people, for the people. :P

I have to sign off for the night, but in the morning, I'll be back, and we can work on a new future for the clan. ;)


Lamb Bug - June 25, 2008 01:05 AM (GMT)
Golden take it easy... Tech is already gone and is not coming back. We can talk about this more tomorrow morning.

Hurricane - June 25, 2008 01:12 AM (GMT)
get a clear head tomorrow get a good nites sleep ill be back and ready to work things out to suit all parties

my homies69 - June 25, 2008 01:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Jun 24 2008, 08:03 PM)
Third point: First, Tech created forums, posted topics, and made the council in his own image without even asking, let alone receiving permission. Then, there was moaning about the Golden/Lamb council plan. Next, there was argument about who could/could not vote.

well, tech didn't do that on his own remember, who sent the pm's?
the could/could not vote thingie, if you read the names well, you would have seen that those names were the most active members. and about your plan it just sucked dude

ancients own man - June 25, 2008 01:14 AM (GMT)
dude dont bann tech or i might leave so will half the clan........ why is he being banned anyways?? what the hell man?

Golden arm42 - June 25, 2008 01:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (my homies69 @ Jun 25 2008, 01:13 AM)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Jun 24 2008, 08:03 PM)
Third point: First, Tech created forums, posted topics, and made the council in his own image without even asking, let alone receiving permission.  Then, there was moaning about the Golden/Lamb council plan.  Next, there was argument about who could/could not vote.

well, tech didn't do that on his own remember, who sent the pm's?
the could/could not vote thingie, if you read the names well, you would have seen that those names were the most active members. and about your plan it just sucked dude

Well, thanks for your opinion. :D

Lamb Bug - June 25, 2008 01:14 AM (GMT)
Can we just put this topic on hold until tomorrow?

Golden arm42 - June 25, 2008 01:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ancients own man @ Jun 25 2008, 01:14 AM)
dude dont bann tech or i might leave so will half the clan........ why is he being banned anyways?? what the hell man?

Because, for the 50th time, he attempted a take-over of the clan.

Lamb Bug - June 25, 2008 01:15 AM (GMT)
Techweenie is already gone.

Hurricane - June 25, 2008 01:16 AM (GMT)
Lamb i recommend that you shut the board off til morning
that way everyone has a chance to get some sleep

ancients own man - June 25, 2008 01:20 AM (GMT)
he wasnt trying to take over he just wanted to make a councill dont bann him....he has too many supporters it will kill the clan..... demote him if you have to and hold me accountable for him... ill keep him in check.... dont kick him out...

Hurricane - June 25, 2008 01:22 AM (GMT)
please bring tech back for the sake of the clan, im close to him and so is half the clan, ok and lamb please reply to my pm

Kerkennah - June 25, 2008 01:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lamb Bug @ Jun 24 2008, 07:58 PM)
I completely, totally 100 percent agree with Kerkennah. We need to all think this over.

this happened in my clan's friend a few days ago
where they were aruging over power
in the end the clan just broke apart and everyone quit=/

Lamb Bug - June 25, 2008 01:25 AM (GMT)
Until tomorrow, I am shutting down the forum.

FiveBrain - June 25, 2008 01:25 AM (GMT)
Yeah dude dont kick him out. Brand already said that if tech didn't get back in he would leave. Alot of other people might also. I dont want this clan to lose all these members...

Golden arm42 - June 25, 2008 01:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ancients own man @ Jun 25 2008, 01:20 AM)
he wasnt trying to take over he just wanted to make a councill dont bann him....he has too many supporters it will kill the clan..... demote him if you have to and hold me accountable for him... ill keep him in check.... dont kick him out...


We'll see. I'll discuss it with Lamb.

Dude, he wasn't rebelling? He posted a thread on this very forum saying he was leaving, Golden was afraid of him, and that he was forming a new clan and all could join him. If that's not rebelling, I'm not sure what is.

The forum is being shut down till the morning. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.

ancients own man - June 25, 2008 01:30 AM (GMT)
tech says if he joins and can only be a regular member.. there is no real reason to do all he does for the clan... i think he shouldnt be site admin anymore if anything....

Golden arm42 - June 25, 2008 01:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ancients own man @ Jun 25 2008, 01:30 AM)
tech says if he joins and can only be a regular member.. there is no real reason to do all he does for the clan... i think he shouldnt be site admin anymore if anything....

He wants to join again? Please forward me anything you hear from him.

Lamb and I will discuss. Until morning, the board will be shut off.

Hurricane - June 25, 2008 01:33 AM (GMT)
cya brite and early then

ancients own man - June 25, 2008 01:34 AM (GMT)
he told me this on rs... five brand and homies also heard

evilmidget38 - June 25, 2008 01:35 AM (GMT)
The forums are closed?

why can i post?

Golden arm42 - June 25, 2008 01:36 AM (GMT)
Cya all in the morning.

Hurricane - June 25, 2008 03:54 PM (GMT)
lol im pretty sure that this can be closed now seeing as we no longer need to discuss this :D




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