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Title: Suggestions


damon - June 4, 2009 07:04 PM (GMT)
Suggestions


Voting Problems
Lately we've been having a problem in our voting system. Either the members are making votes based on popularity, or the leaders are picking people the members dont necessarily think's best. After arguing with Lit, I thought maybe we could implement a system in which the members vote for the top 2 or 3 candidates, and then the leaders choose the best of the 3 ect.

The List System
Sometimes people flat out cant attend events. Other times people choose not to attend events. To combat this i think we should implement a list system. Kinda like the whole law thing. You can choose to not take a breath test for drinking and driving, but if you do, you're punished. We can give people the OPTION of attending alleged mandatory events, and if they dont, we can put them on the list, and they cannot attend the next event for first time offenders, miss the 2 next events for repeating offenders, and miss up to the next 5 events for continual offenders. I decided that this is necessary simply because people cannot be forced to do anything, so might as well give the some incentive.

The Log Out Scheme
People are too good at logging out right before events to avoid them. To combat that, people (should) have 3 times to do this before they are actually punished. Once again tabs should be kept on these people. I know sometimes people really have to go, which is why they are given 3 opportunities. Its kinda like school, you get 3 tardies then you get a consequence. They understand students have things that come up which is why they dont give you a punishment on the first offence. Same general idea here.

War Department
Now the long awaited idea i've had for sometime, just debated when to release or it even if i should to being with. I was thinking of a war department for more organized war training and specialization. I was thinking that it would be divided into 4 main groups in which a different people would head them. Pile, Tank, Bind, and Snipe. This would help people get specific help in the category they needed, plus it would help set up a bind and snipe squad which would be more prepared.

What i had in mind opts wise was: Pile squad would be lead by kerk, since he is clearly the best caller in al, the tank squad by emad, since ive personally seen him tank and practiced with him just yesterday, bind squad by Imso and the snipe sqaud by Dager (by far the best sniper ive seen). With this, I feel it would be obsolete to call us all warlords, but instead, a war COUNCIL.

Now on to group specific jobs. Kerk would probably have to most work of all groups. He would be in charge of leading the majority of AL in practices of piling. His job would be to shape up the unorganized running around of people during wars. Emad would work on tanking. He would lead events based on tanking, something we did yesterday was when got full pizzas dhide bodies full rune and a staff and went to world 141 and challenged 100+ clans with 20+ people and tanked them as long as we could. I think this would be a great way to improve our tanking. Emad could take groups of 3-6 people at a time per session. Binding would be lead by none other then al's best mage. Imso would take the people eligible for binding (80+ mage AND druidic robes) to clan wars in which they would work on binding while attacking to eliminate the standing around in the center of cw. A good plan would to have all the binders split in 2 teams with full robes, rune scimmy, and rune sheilds ONLY, and have them bind and attack each other. Dager would lead the Snipe group, which would mostly work with the pilers. Dager and the other snipers could attend kerk's events and when they see a ranger or mage, they could practice attacking and going back to piles. Personally, id have no problem going in and out of different groups to help the group leaders if necessary.

Like i said these are just suggestions and hopefull all of them would be put into action.

Lit - June 4, 2009 07:36 PM (GMT)
Voting: It really depends on what is being voted. If you're talking about HCs, no, Members should have no power on selecting HCs/potential HCs imo.

List: Sounds good to me, but I'd like to know your idea of punishment.

Log Out Scheme: Again, specify the punishment these people would get after 3 loggings. I supposse a warning is fine.

War Department: Best idea I have seen here in a while, good job with it. I completely support.


unoobson - June 4, 2009 07:43 PM (GMT)
yup, these are pritty good idea's you guys have here, so hopefully it will come to action. :yes:

Dager007 - June 4, 2009 08:05 PM (GMT)
Voting: It really depends on what is being voted. If you're talking about HCs, no, Members should have no power on selecting HCs/potential HCs imo.

List: Sounds good to me, but I'd like to know your idea of punishment.

Log Out Scheme: Again, specify the punishment these people would get after 3 loggings. I supposse a warning is fine.

War Department: Best idea I have seen here in a while, good job with it. I completely support.
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The voting I idea i like, Lit took the words from my mouth

List:Meh, I think it should be a warning

Log out:Lit stole the words from me

War:I like this idea, because the hardest part of being warlord is all the departments they must control at once, spliting the power is a good idea.

Golden arm42 - June 4, 2009 08:08 PM (GMT)
I don't see the point in any of this...why make more divisions/regulations/etc when there's no urgent need? If you need help training people in wars, then ask Emad or Kerk or whoever, but it makes no sense to have 4 different things going in a war...we have enough trouble getting people to listen to one person. You lead snipe, Imso leads main, we have Dager and Kerk as backup...I honestly don't see a reason to change that.

The second and third ideas are good, but again, it would need some thinking: how to best keep track (without being Soviet) and discipline?

QUOTE
leaders are picking people the members dont necessarily think's best


Like...who? :huh:

Kerkennah - June 4, 2009 08:42 PM (GMT)
I love the war idea, it sounds great :) The consequences sound good too.

damon - June 4, 2009 08:43 PM (GMT)
golden this war department isnt for wars.. its for war practices.. divide the practices so people get specific help... say i need help tanking.. i go to emad specifically... it helps us work on our direct flaws and it help organize and better prepare binders and snipers

damon - June 4, 2009 09:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Jun 4 2009, 03:08 PM)
I don't see the point in any of this...why make more divisions/regulations/etc when there's no urgent need? If you need help training people in wars, then ask Emad or Kerk or whoever, but it makes no sense to have 4 different things going in a war...we have enough trouble getting people to listen to one person. You lead snipe, Imso leads main, we have Dager and Kerk as backup...I honestly don't see a reason to change that.

The second and third ideas are good, but again, it would need some thinking: how to best keep track (without being Soviet) and discipline?

QUOTE
leaders are picking people the members dont necessarily think's best


Like...who? :huh:

in all seriousness... imso cannot lead main.. thats kerks job... he is best caller and he doesnt have to worry about binding and sniping.. since imso seems to wanna do both during wars.. its impossible for him to lead main... i myself are either binder or sniping so i cant lead the main pile unless its arranged from start... plus imso doesnt not have a higher position the kerk in the chain being that kerk was here first and they are leading different positions.. Dager is best sniper and should lead the training of snipers... imso is the second best binder (behind yam) and should lead binds... kerk is best caller and should lead piles... Stop with the bench warming.. we need to put our best people on the field for the jobs...

Imso Hot - June 4, 2009 09:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Jun 4 2009, 11:08 PM)
QUOTE
leaders are picking people the members dont necessarily think's best


Like...who? :huh:

*cough* think he means me as warlord *cough* :rolleyes:


110% agreed in war department, like Lit said, best idea in a while, only problem i see in it is how we would get it to work, but if we could (by you showing us if you have something in your mind, or somehow else) it would be ownage

damon - June 4, 2009 09:41 PM (GMT)
kerk logg on lool

Golden arm42 - June 4, 2009 10:32 PM (GMT)
I don't care how you divvy up training -- Imso, Emad, Kerk, whatever. That's your choice as to how you want to go about training us. However, for main wars, we've still got two warlords: you and Imso. You two are the ones who are the main leaders, you two find short preps...you get the idea. Kerk and Dager are responsible for leading once you two are down; you can utilize them in whatever way you want for training, but you two are still the main warlords.

damon - June 5, 2009 12:26 AM (GMT)
calling at wars is what kerk does better then any1 else.. and me and imso both snipe or bind.. this means we are not always on the pile.. like i said before its [BEEP]ing impossible for both of us to snipe bind and call... this was the real problem i had with imso bieng warlord above anything... ur putting another bind/snipe warlord... we needed some1 to lead the main pile and when u put kerk as backup we still dont got 1

King Arthur - June 5, 2009 12:55 AM (GMT)
> Notice: As requested by Damon:
> Warlord renamed to War Council
> Emad and Dager are now War Council

Golden arm42 - June 5, 2009 01:00 AM (GMT)
Uh uh. No. We've had this up for less than a day, and now you've decided that we're 100% committed to it? You decide that since I might not aquiesce, you'll ask Arthur. Nope, not gonna fly with me.

I'm not opposed to this, but instead of a knee-jerk thing, I want to hear more specifics. Why is there a need? Who's gonna lead real wars? Are you all going to be able to find wars? I, and we, need more details before going on such a different course than we have been (which has worked well, I might add).

King Arthur - June 5, 2009 01:06 AM (GMT)
> Sigh... I even asked if you complied with that... He said you did...
> I'm undoing everything right now :(

damon - June 5, 2009 01:25 AM (GMT)
wtf else do u want me to say about it... i told u everything.. it has no effect on wars i mean how else do i have to say it.. its for war training... we need a more efficient way of training thats it.. its a training program.. what else do i need to say?

Golden arm42 - June 5, 2009 02:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (damon @ Jun 5 2009, 12:26 AM)
like i said before its [BEEP]ing impossible for both of us to snipe bind and call

If it's just for practice, then how can it not work? It's not like BAAAM anti-snipes, and if it's for STAB, the mob won't be attacking back anyway as they'll be busy tanking. :sleep:

If you really think this is necessary, then I can see that, but I still have yet to hear a compelling case for why we need to do this.

Kerkennah - June 5, 2009 02:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE (damon @ Jun 5 2009, 12:26 AM)
like i said before its [BEEP]ing impossible for both of us to snipe bind and call

If it's just for practice, then how can it not work? It's not like BAAAM anti-snipes, and if it's for STAB, the mob won't be attacking back anyway as they'll be busy tanking. :sleep:

If you really think this is necessary, then I can see that, but I still have yet to hear a compelling case for why we need to do this.

I don't think you understood what Damon is trying to say. He is wanting this system for practices, like when you need help with one of these war areas, you go to the person in charge of that for practice.

The other thing he is trying to say is that at wars there is a pile leader, and a binder leader, which is usually damon. He was trying to say that its really tough to be sniping/binding and calling piles at the same time. That's why he is saying I should be the main pile leader instead of imso, cause he is always binding. And I never really bind or snipe, don't have the stats :P

damon - June 5, 2009 02:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Jun 4 2009, 09:21 PM)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE (damon @ Jun 5 2009, 12:26 AM)
like i said before its [BEEP]ing impossible for both of us to snipe bind and call

If it's just for practice, then how can it not work? It's not like BAAAM anti-snipes, and if it's for STAB, the mob won't be attacking back anyway as they'll be busy tanking. :sleep:

If you really think this is necessary, then I can see that, but I still have yet to hear a compelling case for why we need to do this.

I don't think you understood what Damon is trying to say. He is wanting this system for practices, like when you need help with one of these war areas, you go to the person in charge of that for practice.

The other thing he is trying to say is that at wars there is a pile leader, and a binder leader, which is usually damon. He was trying to say that its really tough to be sniping/binding and calling piles at the same time. That's why he is saying I should be the main pile leader instead of imso, cause he is always binding. And I never really bind or snipe, don't have the stats :P

+1..................................................................... <- to make 20 characters

Golden arm42 - June 5, 2009 02:46 AM (GMT)
No offense to Emad, because I haven't seen him tank in a while, but if it's a matter of training small groups or even large groups, I'm sure you (Damon) could easily demonstrate the tactics sufficiently.

And Damon said this wouldn't be in place for wars, so the second point is irrelavent.

damon - June 5, 2009 03:03 AM (GMT)
no the second point was stating kerk should do the calling since he is always on pile lolololololool

Golden arm42 - June 5, 2009 03:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (damon @ Jun 5 2009, 03:03 AM)
no the second point was stating kerk should do the calling since he is always on pile lolololololool

Well, if you want to cede the right to call the main pile to Kerk, that's your choice, not mine. :sleep:

I still don't believe that this has anything to do with training; anyone, even me, could call main piles in training. The only reason to change it up would be to do so for regular wars, which isn't what you've been telling me. :lol:

Lord - June 5, 2009 12:24 PM (GMT)
i think its a good idea, but pointless, we dont need to assign certain groups for that if we can just ask for help. and tbh if we need to ask for help then ur not doing ur job. not trying to be mean or anything thats just my opinion, and you guys are great warlords, never seen better, and i can see how damon and imso cant call main piles, but you dont need to tell everybody about it, you guys are warlords, you can decide who calls what piles etc.




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