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Icewolf68 - June 1, 2009 08:43 PM (GMT)
Well, here it is:

I am leaving for my camp named Camp Tawingo, 4.5 hours north on Friday June 26th to be a counsellor in training (CIT aka TLC at my camp). I am gone until about August 26th, totalling 2 months of leaving time.

I will hopefully not lose my title in the clan of Event Coordinator...(This is a little bit of a vent below) Even though I feel as though I should at least be a Senior member. Animal was given the Senior member title really quickly in the clan, and he joined a day after me. Lit also joined a month after me. (Sorry if that sounds like a flame to you 2, it is not intended to be). And what about the experience factor? I led a clan for 1.5 years before coming here... That's more than basically anyone in here except I believe Lamb and Golden (I don't know exactly when this clan first started...).
I also thought High Council was sort of a position that was meant to be representing the clanmates, not elected by leaders.... I know i should have spoken up before, but I figured it wouldn't have made a difference to Lamb and Golden's opinions. (I'm sure others would agree with this opinion).

Back on topic. So I will be gone for 2 months and I hope I don't lose my authority in the clan because of this. I figured since it is such an extensive time I will be gone for, I should give you pleanty of notice to this departure.

That's about it


ice

Lit - June 1, 2009 09:40 PM (GMT)
I disagree with you. If the HCs were chosen by the members the applications would all turn into "elections" and the one that is more liked will probably get the spot, not the one that deserves it most. Just because the clan loves a member doesn't mean he's active enough or even meets the requirements the Leaders think an HC needs to fill up.

And about you becoming Senior Member, it surprises me too that I became one before you, but you need to talk about it with Lamb and Golden, not with us.

Have fun at the camp.

Kerkennah - June 2, 2009 12:54 AM (GMT)
Have fun in Camp Ice :) See you when you come back.

Golden arm42 - June 2, 2009 01:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Icewolf68 @ Jun 1 2009, 08:43 PM)
Well I'm guessing Star must have said something about this that may have infulenced the outcome of Council member appointment... Here it is:

I am leaving for my camp named Camp Tawingo, 4.5 hours north on Friday June 26th to be a counsellor in training (CIT aka TLC at my camp). I am gone until about August 26th, totalling 2 months of leaving time.

I will hopefully not lose my title in the clan of Event Coordinator...(This is a little bit of a vent below) Even though I feel as though I should at least be a Senior member. Animal was given the Senior member title really quickly in the clan, and he joined a day after me. Lit also joined a month after me. (Sorry if that sounds like a flame to you 2, it is not intended to be). And what about the experience factor? I led a clan for 1.5 years before coming here... That's more than basically anyone in here except I believe Lamb and Golden (I don't know exactly when this clan first started...).
I also thought High Council was sort of a position that was meant to be representing the clanmates, not elected by leaders.... I know i should have spoken up before, but I figured it wouldn't have made a difference to Lamb and Golden's opinions. (I'm sure others would agree with this opinion).

Back on topic. So I will be gone for 2 months and I hope I don't lose my authority in the clan because of this. I figured since it is such an extensive time I will be gone for, I should give you pleanty of notice to this departure.

That's about it


ice

Guess I'llhave to be the "bad cop" here. :no:


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Well I'm guessing Star must have said something about this that may have infulenced the outcome of Council member appointment...


He honestly did not make a single suggestion or offer a piece of advice throughout the whole process. He certainly did not "name a successor".

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Even though I feel as though I should at least be a Senior member. Animal was given the Senior member title really quickly in the clan, and he joined a day after me. Lit also joined a month after me. (Sorry if that sounds like a flame to you 2, it is not intended to be).


For at least a month or two, you were a clan friend because you were still leading Jackals at that time.

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I also thought High Council was sort of a position that was meant to be representing the clanmates, not elected by leaders.... I know i should have spoken up before, but I figured it wouldn't have made a difference to Lamb and Golden's opinions. (I'm sure others would agree with this opinion).


As Lit said, we don't want/need a popularity contest with such a position. The last time we did a player-run election for a position, Darklord was chosen as warlord. I personally think he did a fine job during his tenure, but he shortly thereafter resigned his rank because of inactivity.

As I said in my post announcing it earlier, there's a decent possibility that the council will be expanded in the future. There's no reason to feel that you're not appreciated or your contribution isn't important just because you didn't rank up this time.

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So I will be gone for 2 months and I hope I don't lose my authority in the clan because of this.


No, you're not going to lose your rank or authority at all; have fun at camp. :D



emad - June 2, 2009 02:41 AM (GMT)
Bai ice, have fun at camp

Icewolf68 - June 2, 2009 03:01 AM (GMT)
Ok, I can see the reasoning Golden... :P I totally forgot about the Clan Friend for the first month and a half in AL
I guess I can see the popularity vote mess some things up as well...
I just felt as though I had the position for sure with the experience I brought to the table. It really frustrated me not getting it, so I kind of needed to vent here :P
Thanks for clearing some of the anger I had Golden!

One of the problems I just felt was that I know Animal has had a month or 2 experience over me in AL, but I thought leading a clan for 1.5 years would take presidence over that, seeing as HC is basically 2nd in command. I'm trying to avoid an arguement or show bitterness... But I don't know where else to let it out. Sorry!


ice

xdjz - June 2, 2009 09:01 AM (GMT)
Bye ice, Hope to see you back soon ^_^

animal magik - June 8, 2009 11:17 AM (GMT)
Firstly, I hope you enjoy your time at camp Ice. I can assure you you will still have the same rank and high amount of respect you do now when you return.
But secondly, senior/council ranks are not about the time you've been in the clan, or even another clan for that matter. It's about what you have done for the clan, and how you have showed how much you care about the clan and what you are willing to do for the clan and the members within. Leading another clan is surely a good initiative, but without seeing enough of what you have done here it is hard to make a decision on your rank.
Although I must say I am surprised you didn't get Senior, and even thought that you would have gotten Council over me.
I hope you don't take this post the wrong way, after all I'm only voicing my opinion, and it is one which is quite often wrong. I hope you enjoy your time at camp and what I've said doesn't affect our relationship, because you are a great friend to have here. :wub:

Icewolf68 - June 8, 2009 11:56 AM (GMT)
Lolz not to worry Animal, I understand. I was just a little upset and wrote most of that in the heat of the moment, cause i was a little suprised.

Sorry for what I said in the first post. Congrats Animal on HC btw!


ice

animal magik - June 9, 2009 08:05 AM (GMT)
That's understandable - like I said before, I thought you would get the rank, and was surprised to find out I had. And thanks. :)
And I can assure you that it was a good choice picking me, and I will do my best to do as well as you would have.




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