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Title: There's no "I" in clan


Golden arm42 - April 26, 2009 08:39 PM (GMT)
So...there's been more than a bit of controversy lately about Icewolf's 99 thieving party. I'm not going to address that issue now; if you'd like to read up about it, you can do so here.

There's a time to have fun and a time to get serious. Icewolf's party was fun; clan wars are serious. Now, right up front, I'm going to say that I made a mistake. I didn't do a good enough job alerting people to the war with Young Gunz -- I can make whatever excuses I'd like but I'm not going to take that approach. I accept full responsibility for that breakdown in communication and the confusion it caused.

Having said that, it's perfectly reasonable that Icewolf made/kept his party scheduled for that particular time. I understand that it's hard to coordinate things just inside a clan, let alone with real life friends and the like. Given that I didn't do a good enough job getting the word out about the war, Ice had a right to hold his party then. I don't want any ragging on Icewolf AT ALL because what he did was appropriate.

As a friend of Icewolf's, Kerkennah had a right as well to attend Icewolf's party. I can understand how seeing a close friend achieve a major milestone is a meaningful and unique experience. Kerkennah, as well, had a right to attend Icewolf's party.

That being said, Kerkennah's subsequent conduct was shameful. If Kerkennah had decided to go to Icewolf's party and have fun, that would have been fine, even at expense of the war. But instead, Kerkennah OPENLY told people to disregard their committments to the clan and to blow off the war. In short, Kerkennah was technically breaking the rules himself, which I can understand given the circumstances as I said above, but he avidly encouraged others to abandon their committments to the clan as well. This is far from acceptable. As a result, the council and leaders have UNANIMOUSLY decided that Kerkennah's duties as backup warlord will been removed for slightly more than one month. At the beginning of June, Kerkennah will get his rank back. For now, however, we are putting our feet down and ending this individual-comes-first/screw-my-responsibilites-and-obligations behavior where and when we see it. I hope you all, and especially Kerk, will understand that.

Chuffa - April 26, 2009 08:48 PM (GMT)
Sorry Kerk, but we need to clamp down on rules here, people take AL, and thier duties in it too liberally.

Techy - April 26, 2009 08:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
There's no "I" in clan

But there is an "l" which looks very similar =/

But I agree with everything you said golden

tomilson21 - April 26, 2009 09:28 PM (GMT)
Golden if u think i was "ragging" on ice before i wasnt i clearly said i think he should get respect for his achievment. i just think that what jaal said was right we shouldnt have cancelled the war. That goes for u to ice im not saying that u dont deserve respect cause u do. I mean u have like 3 99s thats impressive. I just want to make that clear. So if what i said offended u ice im sorry, it wasnt a direct attack on u. I just think it wasnt correct to cancel the war because members were complaining.

Golden arm42 - April 26, 2009 09:29 PM (GMT)
I wasn't saying you were, Tom. Ice had referred to getting "hate mail" and unless you've been sending him PMs that I haven't seen, I can't see how anything you said would have been considered hating.

tomilson21 - April 26, 2009 09:31 PM (GMT)
No i havent said anything like that to him. I was jsut talking about my post on jaals topic where i said the war in the clan comes first over events. Cause i understand where ice is coming from so im really not blaming him for anything and thats what i wanted to make clear.

Imso Hot - April 26, 2009 09:42 PM (GMT)
Sorry Kerk, this is probably my fault since i brought it up in the other topic :shy:


Now we saw what Golden/Lamb are willing to do to get this [BEEP] back on the trails.. They've been easy on us untill now but from nwo on i believe they are going to be harder

Kerkennah - April 26, 2009 10:05 PM (GMT)
It's ok with me that my rank got removed, I understand. But I don't remember telling people not to care about the war :S I already knew this was going to happen.

I would like to apoligise for my conduct, I promise it won't happen again.

Kerkennah

CyberianWolf - April 26, 2009 11:31 PM (GMT)
Hey Golden,

I'm sorry, but this is inappropriate to discuss in front of the the entire clan. Suspending Kerk of his duties should be done in private. :'(

A. It degrades both u and Kerk
and
B. It none of the clans business

CWolf :sunglasses:

Yamunu - April 26, 2009 11:38 PM (GMT)
Lol, no.

examples need to be set. as warlord, even if its a friends event. he has a duty to lead us.

lordblack656 - April 27, 2009 12:21 AM (GMT)
im sorry i wasnt there so i cant back either sides, but ice u made ur party before the war, so thats cool. kerk, u decided to go to the party instead of war, thats cool too. but if u really did tell other pppl to f the war for the party, thats not cool=, its ok to ask, and say party's coming in a bit, but not to make ppl come and diss on ppl that dont come, if you did that, im not saying you did cuz i wasnt there, but thats definately not tehre. and im sry i wasnt there, when i logged on war was like 5 minutes from starting and people told me it was too late. sry =(

Jaal - April 27, 2009 12:26 AM (GMT)
I want to add my appologies too - to Ice and the Clan. I may have been a little too blunt. From a long military background - I do tend to take the group's Pride and Honor bit too seriously.

Jaal

Golden arm42 - April 27, 2009 12:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CyberianWolf @ Apr 26 2009, 11:31 PM)
Hey Golden,

I'm sorry, but this is inappropriate to discuss in front of the the entire clan. Suspending Kerk of his duties should be done in private. :'(

A. It degrades both u and Kerk
and
B. It none of the clans business

CWolf :sunglasses:

No, there are several reasons to do it this way. First of all, it reduces confusion about why Kerk's name isn't on the header and stuff like that. Secondly, it shows to the members in general that this stuff isn't OK. Last, it cleared up any questions about the party and now we can move on. :)

Icewolf68 - April 27, 2009 03:01 AM (GMT)
Thank-you Golden! I feel a little more happy being on AL again... Wasn't too happy with the clan in general yesterday, and I'm sure everyone can understand why... But clearing things up like this makes me feel much better!

The "Hate messages" thing I'm going to keep private, because I don't feel right ratting anyone out. I'm sure they didn't mean it, as it did occur in the spur of the moment.

As for de-ranking Kerk... I don't want to get into this, just because i feel biased being bffs with Kerk and I would obviously take his side. I don't want to contribute to any more arguing in AL, because I find mostly everyone to be good people, and I don't want to stir up anything else.


ice

Kerkennah - April 27, 2009 03:02 AM (GMT)
It ok with me if this was said public, shows people what happens if you do bad things. A lesson to be learned for everyone.

animal magik - April 27, 2009 06:30 AM (GMT)
Sorry Kerk. :(
I still don't really get the full picture seeing I wasn't there, but I hope something like this doesn't happen again.

lordblack656 - April 27, 2009 12:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (animal magik @ Apr 27 2009, 01:30 AM)
Sorry Kerk. :(
I still don't really get the full picture seeing I wasn't there, but I hope something like this doesn't happen again.

amen! theres been a bit of contraversy going on in clan and i think it should stop. unless its friendly argument and stuff like that, just no "hatin"

starwolf_ftw - April 27, 2009 02:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (lordblack656 @ Apr 27 2009, 07:26 AM)
QUOTE (animal magik @ Apr 27 2009, 01:30 AM)
Sorry Kerk. :(
I still don't really get the full picture seeing I wasn't there, but I hope something like this doesn't happen again.

amen! theres been a bit of contraversy going on in clan and i think it should stop. unless its friendly argument and stuff like that, just no "hatin"

Ok, I don't know what to say about this...

If you don't know what has gone wrong, or don't know the whole story, then why even post? Sure we don't want this to happen again, but everyone can say that.

Please only post something if it's going to help and be benefitial.

damon - April 27, 2009 07:23 PM (GMT)
this is bull [BEEP]... he shouldnt get deranked for this as the party was an event too... telling people to go to the party was the right thing to do because the war was scheduled after... Its bull [BEEP] that kerk is deranked for the leaders' mistake. i was one to choose the war over a party, but it wouldve still been wrong to have this war over the party since ice gave weeks notice. Kerk shouldnt b penalized and definetly shouldnt b deranked as warlord, especially cuz he might b taking my full time spot soon

Kerkennah - April 27, 2009 08:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (damon @ Apr 27 2009, 03:23 PM)
this is bull [BEEP]... he shouldnt get deranked for this as the party was an event too... telling people to go to the party was the right thing to do because the war was scheduled after... Its bull [BEEP] that kerk is deranked for the leaders' mistake. i was one to choose the war over a party, but it wouldve still been wrong to have this war over the party since ice gave weeks notice. Kerk shouldnt b penalized and definetly shouldnt b deranked as warlord, especially cuz he might b taking my full time spot soon

It's ok damon, its only for a month. I wish the war wasn't canceled though, I would of been able to go to both. Two accounts and a lap top :D




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