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Title: Ancient Legion’s Clan Pride
Description: Jaal’s OUT RAGE


Jaal - April 26, 2009 01:26 AM (GMT)
Please post this where it is appropriate for all Clan Members can see on a permenant basis

Our Clan takes pride in our Clan Wars. We even have a team cape that is very hard to obtain – I should know, died 50 times trying to find Edward in the Wilderness and still can’t find him, even to this day to buy our capes. We display it with pride on our Clan site. We also display our Clan War records with pride on the front page for all to see. Who we decided to fight and the final outcome.

My pride:
I take extreme pride in our Clan. I always try to wear the best Clan War gear possible – even if it cost me a fortune to do so. The Clan should be properly represented. I try to prepare the Clan by offering low cost to their Clan War combat gear – free if I have to. I also believe in helping our Clan train their stats, combat or anything else they may wish to pursue. Ask the Clan and they will tell you what I try do and will attempt to do for the Clan. Even if that meant buying 150,000 hard leather bodies eyes closed – well I did it and was proud of doing it. I even bought spare Bandos Godsword, abyssal whip, dragon hatchet, and stocked a lot unecessary items for the Clan. I built a guilded altar inside my player house as quickly as I was possible, we needed one. A lot of council Members asked me WHY?

Why:
Why do you do this? Why do you want to supply the Clan? And finally why do you let the Clan take advantage of your kindness? Answer is simple. I take pride in Our Clan - I want us to be at our best at any given time. I have seen a level 126 Combat looking for a Godsword, a whip, a dragon hatchet, a particular rune, other miscellaneous items, including food – this is ridiculous. Begging at a Bank – I hate it. Unacceptable for our Clan. Not ever. I hate beggars. Until the day I quit playing Runescape or leave this Clan, it will not happen to our Clan– I will not allow it. Please do not take advantage of it. I will put my foot down when it gets out of hand and it will not be pretty.

Our Leader:
The Council of Elders, our Leaders, do their best to plan all Clan Wars around everyone’s busy schedule. Do you know how hard it is to actually get a Clan War with a respected Clan at a reasonable time? Ask them, they will tell you. Do you realize how embarrassing it is to cancel the Clan War after numerous attempts to get the other Clan to accept? What about the next time, if there is a next time?

Today:
Today on the subject, we had an unplanned Clan War and a planned event. I deeply understand that this person planned this event for weeks on end –it’s a level 99 party. To reach this level on any stat should be commended with Honors. Everyone should try to attend and congratulate the person for a superb job well done. However, due to unforseen circumstances I believe in my heart that this party can be rescheduled. I mean you waited a few weeks to have this party. One more hour isn’t going to hurt. Is it? How about the Clan’s Honor – can it wait?

My Outrage:
I felt awful not being able to stand beside our Clan Leader, Lamb Bug, because I had to work. Clients will leave if they saw you playing Runescape. But I saw what was being said and regret that I could not talk back – not even a single word. My heart just sank to the floor by what was being said. And I will not repeat it – it was awful. Individual pride is less important than the Clans. Please remember that. Even a senior member of the clan had to apologize to the other Clan for our absence. For the first time in history we lost due to forfeiture - why? We had to celebrate someone’s pride and Our Clan’s pride can wait. Our Leader can stand there and fight our battles because we won’t stand beside him. I hate it and vow never to let this happen again. I will personally make sure all new members remember my words – Clan’s Pride over personal pride. Real Life will always take precedent over Runescape of course. If you are playing Runescape and we have a Clan War – you must show up. PERIOD – NO EXCEPTIONS.

Will you be upset if Clan Young Gunz posted our cape on their site – Ancient Legions lost due to forfeiture? I am horrified. I want your input on this subject because I hate to bring it up and I will not again because it will not happen again.


Jaal :angry:

animal magik - April 26, 2009 01:47 AM (GMT)
I agree Jaal, and a lot of this has been touched on before. We really need to lift participation levels and show some more commitment.

Kerkennah - April 26, 2009 01:57 AM (GMT)
It was a bad mistake by the leaders, I mean do they even read the events forum, or look at the calendar? I'm starting to think that they don't, because they just posted about this war today when the party was at the same time. Also, he couldn't change the time or date of his party because he already told all his friends in runescape. The war didn't have to be canceled, we have lots of people. Not even half of the people online went to the party, so we could of still had a war.

I care about the clan and I always try my best to attend wars, but if we had it today, I wouldn't of came. The reason for this is because I have never been to any of my best friend's 99's and it means alot to him, so I have to be there. + anyways, lots of friends not in al knew about this, so he can't just tell them, oh sorry guys i have to go to a war. Especially if some of these people were trying their best to come online for a few minutes to congratulate him.

Don't hate me for saying this, I always try to help the clan.

animal magik - April 26, 2009 02:46 AM (GMT)
Kerk is right too, we shouldn't have had a war scheduled that time, and Ice's party should have been taken into account.
I too try my hardest to make it to events and wars, and even though I've only been to one war, to make that I had to get up at 6:15 in the morning.
That also means if I schedule events then they usually have to be before 9 am for me, and that's a big thing because the weekends are the only two days I have to sleep in.

Jaal - April 26, 2009 02:56 AM (GMT)
Yes Kerk is also right. This should have better planning - it was on Event Calender. But I still disapprove about what was said in Clan Chat <_<

Kerkennah - April 26, 2009 03:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jaal @ Apr 25 2009, 10:56 PM)
Yes Kerk is also right. This should have better planning - it was on Event Calender. But I still disapprove about what was said in Clan Chat <_<

I wish I knew what was said in the cc, I was only there for 2-3 min when this was happening.

animal magik - April 26, 2009 07:40 AM (GMT)
What was said in the clan chat?
I wasn't there either.

Chuffa - April 26, 2009 08:21 AM (GMT)
Basically, for the benefit of those who wern't online, Ice had planned a 99 Theiving party for 3PM EST, which he had planned for a while i'm lead to belive.

Golden posted on the morning, that we had a war vs Young Gunz at the same time, which NOBODY in chat knew about until I TOLD THEM. Yes, it was unfortunate that it was planned on the same date as Icewolf's party, but it was a war none the less, and i can understand him not being able to change the time at such short notice, but war is war. It was unfortunate YG wouldn't put the war back, but [BEEP] happens.

At the end of the day, you are ALL members of AL, and we must stick together, and be commited to the clan, even when i asked if anybody would be willing to fight earlier, people said NO because they were busy doing thier thing.

This is unacceptable, you say NO to a earlier war because your'e busy? If you can't be bothered to fight in a war, why are you here? Why are you in a warring clan if you can't be arsed to war? I know YG were unwilling to change times, but the sheer amount of you who dismissed the idea of fighting earlier was shocking. I can tell you now if you were in a clan who were more strict with thier warring, you would have been punished.

There is no reason why you all should have said no to an earlier war, even if it wasn't going to happen, you should all be ready to fight when called upon if you are online. The lack of commitment from certain members appauls me. If you guys want AL to be as good as it can be, then you need to show commitment.

People were even complaining about short notice, yes it was redicuously short, but i and a few others were willing to fight for AL, so why wern't the rest of you.

Another thing that worries me, is the fact HARDLY ANYBODY READ THE POST IN THE NEWS FORUM. It was there for at least eight hours before the war was meant to start, and even at 1:30PM EST, none of you had read it. What more can i say? People can't even be bothered to check the forums..

animal magik - April 26, 2009 08:40 AM (GMT)
Well I didn't have a chance to read the thread seeing I was in bed, and I read the news thread often so you can't say that for every member.
Also I was in bed at the same time of the war, so, again, no chance I could have made it.
But now you see what I mean with the participation issues, and the commitment.

Yamunu - April 26, 2009 08:43 AM (GMT)
Pft, me and damon were ready to war :o...

Imso Hot - April 26, 2009 08:52 AM (GMT)
Totally agreed. Yesterday was [BEEP] because we had no war (i was really looking up to it because i havent been to one in ages).

I understand Ice planned his party way earlier than the war was pronounced, but he maybe could of moved it? And something that got caught in my eye was on Icewolf's topic, was Kerkennah's post, it was something like this: "I'll rather be at Ice's party than at the war".. And this guy is our warlord?
That shows us that we need more dedication to the clan, if even a warlord says he'll be better somewhere else than a war, we have a serious problem, and it needs to be undone

Chuffa - April 26, 2009 08:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Imso Hot @ Apr 26 2009, 03:52 AM)
Totally agreed. Yesterday was [BEEP] because we had no war (i was really looking up to it because i havent been to one in ages).

I understand Ice planned his party way earlier than the war was pronounced, but he maybe could of moved it? And something that got caught in my eye was on Icewolf's topic, was Kerkennah's post, it was something like this: "I'll rather be at Ice's party than at the war".. And this guy is our warlord?
That shows us that we need more dedication to the clan, if even a warlord says he'll be better somewhere else than a war, we have a serious problem, and it needs to be undone

A Warlord saying that is unacceptable.

Golden arm42 - April 26, 2009 12:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Apr 26 2009, 01:57 AM)
It was a bad mistake by the leaders, I mean do they even read the events forum, or look at the calendar? I'm starting to think that they don't, because they just posted about this war today when the party was at the same time. Also, he couldn't change the time or date of his party because he already told all his friends in runescape.

Kerk...man, you don't know what you're talking about. Icewolf posted the topic announcing his party on April 20. The war's final rules were agreed to on April 14. Icewolf scheduled his party AFTER it was already clear we had a war, so don't go blaming me for scheduling the war at the day of his party. :angry:

QUOTE (Icewolf)
PS if there is a war scheduled at this time, I will reschedule the 99 party an hour earlier!


Seems to me like that could have been moved if he said it could. <_<

Look, Ice, I don't want to detract from your achievement, because getting 99 in anything is far more than I could do and thieving is a fun skill to train (it was the only skill I ever trained for my one-month period in members about a year ago). I'm just getting really upset that people are running their mouths and blaming me and Lamb for something that wasn't our fault at all. :huh:

Kerkennah - April 26, 2009 02:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 26 2009, 08:23 AM)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Apr 26 2009, 01:57 AM)
It was a bad mistake by the leaders, I mean do they even read the events forum, or look at the calendar? I'm starting to think that they don't, because they just posted about this war today when the party was at the same time. Also, he couldn't change the time or date of his party because he already told all his friends in runescape.

Kerk...man, you don't know what you're talking about. Icewolf posted the topic announcing his party on April 20. The war's final rules were agreed to on April 14. Icewolf scheduled his party AFTER it was already clear we had a war, so don't go blaming me for scheduling the war at the day of his party. :angry:

Sorry thats my mistake then :shy: , I didn't know it was planned that early, I thought it was today.

Icewolf68 - April 26, 2009 03:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 26 2009, 07:23 AM)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Apr 26 2009, 01:57 AM)
It was a bad mistake by the leaders, I mean do they even read the events forum, or look at the calendar? I'm starting to think that they don't, because they just posted about this war today when the party was at the same time. Also, he couldn't change the time or date of his party because he already told all his friends in runescape.

Kerk...man, you don't know what you're talking about. Icewolf posted the topic announcing his party on April 20. The war's final rules were agreed to on April 14. Icewolf scheduled his party AFTER it was already clear we had a war, so don't go blaming me for scheduling the war at the day of his party. :angry:

QUOTE (Icewolf)
PS if there is a war scheduled at this time, I will reschedule the 99 party an hour earlier!


Seems to me like that could have been moved if he said it could. <_<

Look, Ice, I don't want to detract from your achievement, because getting 99 in anything is far more than I could do and thieving is a fun skill to train (it was the only skill I ever trained for my one-month period in members about a year ago). I'm just getting really upset that people are running their mouths and blaming me and Lamb for something that wasn't our fault at all. :huh:

Was it on the calendar? Did you say anything about the War beforehand so I was aware to change my time? I think not.

Look, you may have planned it before mine, but publicity of it was lacking. Many people knew about my party, and how many knew about the war? (I believe about 3 people?) You as leaders have to use the resorces on the site, such as the calendar! I put my party on the calendar, and noticed nothing was interfering with it, so I assumed everything would be fine and dandy!

To defend Kerk's case: Yes he is a Warlord, however him and I have been best buds for over 5 years. I think his duties in the clan are important, but if you were put in his shoes... Your best friend reaching a huge milestone, or attend a war? I don't know about you guys, but I would call that a true friend.

As I said before the party:
QUOTE
Idc about the war. I stated in my first post, if there was a war I'll move it.... he never said anything to me and i told all my friends not in AL so there's no way i can rescedule it.

If you want to come to my party, then come! I'm sorry Golden, but if you aren't going to inform me of a war that is apparently scheduled at the same time then it's not my fault.


As the few of you who came (thanks for coming btw!) you could see that I had many other friends not in AL who did attend. When you tell a large number of your friends (I told about 50, plus a few of my youtube friends) the time of a party your having weeks in advance, they do their best to take some time out of their life, just as Kerk said, even for just a few minutes to log on, say congrats, then log off.
It would have been completely unfair to these people to say "o btw, my party's been moved foreward an hour". Sure it may benefit a few of AL members, but many of my friends living in other timezones wouldn't be able to make it.

I was one of the supporters with resheduling the war, whether it be an hour or 2 earlier or an hour after my party. I love to war just as much as the rest of you do.

I have stated my case. If I continue to receive hate messages around the site, then I'm leaving. Just letting you know that now.


ice

tomilson21 - April 26, 2009 03:12 PM (GMT)
Honestly I think we should have had the war. Everyone in the clan knows that we have a war on saturday or somtimes sunday. Everyone also knows that the wars are around 3pm est. So my question is why are we planning events at this time ? Im not saying that his accomplishment should go unrecongized but should have been planned at a different time. I was ready to war i wanted to war. I look forward to the wars. Jaal is right clan wars take priority over smaller events.

Icewolf68 - April 26, 2009 03:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tomilson21 @ Apr 26 2009, 10:12 AM)
Honestly I think we should have had the war. Everyone in the clan knows that we have a war on saturday or somtimes sunday. Everyone also knows that the wars are around 3pm est. So my question is why are we planning events at this time ? Im not saying that his accomplishment should go unrecongized but should have been planned at a different time. I was ready to war i wanted to war. I look forward to the wars. Jaal is right clan wars take priority over smaller events.

1.) Smaller events? Wtf?
2.) Usually there is one scheduled on Saturdays, but we didn't have one last week, and i don't think the week before... I was not made aware of it until the day of. So don't go blaming me for scheduling it at the same time. As I said before... Publicity of this war was quite poor, and very few people knew about it until the day of as well.


ice

Chuffa - April 26, 2009 03:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Icewolf68 @ Apr 26 2009, 10:07 AM)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 26 2009, 07:23 AM)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Apr 26 2009, 01:57 AM)
It was a bad mistake by the leaders, I mean do they even read the events forum, or look at the calendar? I'm starting to think that they don't, because they just posted about this war today when the party was at the same time. Also, he couldn't change the time or date of his party because he already told all his friends in runescape.

Kerk...man, you don't know what you're talking about. Icewolf posted the topic announcing his party on April 20. The war's final rules were agreed to on April 14. Icewolf scheduled his party AFTER it was already clear we had a war, so don't go blaming me for scheduling the war at the day of his party. :angry:

QUOTE (Icewolf)
PS if there is a war scheduled at this time, I will reschedule the 99 party an hour earlier!


Seems to me like that could have been moved if he said it could. <_<

Look, Ice, I don't want to detract from your achievement, because getting 99 in anything is far more than I could do and thieving is a fun skill to train (it was the only skill I ever trained for my one-month period in members about a year ago). I'm just getting really upset that people are running their mouths and blaming me and Lamb for something that wasn't our fault at all. :huh:

Was it on the calendar? Did you say anything about the War beforehand so I was aware to change my time? I think not.

Look, you may have planned it before mine, but publicity of it was lacking. Many people knew about my party, and how many knew about the war? (I believe about 3 people?) You as leaders have to use the resorces on the site, such as the calendar! I put my party on the calendar, and noticed nothing was interfering with it, so I assumed everything would be fine and dandy!

To defend Kerk's case: Yes he is a Warlord, however him and I have been best buds for over 5 years. I think his duties in the clan are important, but if you were put in his shoes... Your best friend reaching a huge milestone, or attend a war? I don't know about you guys, but I would call that a true friend.

As I said before the party:
QUOTE
Idc about the war. I stated in my first post, if there was a war I'll move it.... he never said anything to me and i told all my friends not in AL so there's no way i can rescedule it.

If you want to come to my party, then come! I'm sorry Golden, but if you aren't going to inform me of a war that is apparently scheduled at the same time then it's not my fault.


As the few of you who came (thanks for coming btw!) you could see that I had many other friends not in AL who did attend. When you tell a large number of your friends (I told about 50, plus a few of my youtube friends) the time of a party your having weeks in advance, they do their best to take some time out of their life, just as Kerk said, even for just a few minutes to log on, say congrats, then log off.
It would have been completely unfair to these people to say "o btw, my party's been moved foreward an hour". Sure it may benefit a few of AL members, but many of my friends living in other timezones wouldn't be able to make it.

I was one of the supporters with resheduling the war, whether it be an hour or 2 earlier or an hour after my party. I love to war just as much as the rest of you do.

I have stated my case. If I continue to receive hate messages around the site, then I'm leaving. Just letting you know that now.


ice

Who has posted hate against you?

Golden arm42 - April 26, 2009 04:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Icewolf68 @ Apr 26 2009, 03:07 PM)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 26 2009, 07:23 AM)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Apr 26 2009, 01:57 AM)
It was a bad mistake by the leaders, I mean do they even read the events forum, or look at the calendar? I'm starting to think that they don't, because they just posted about this war today when the party was at the same time. Also, he couldn't change the time or date of his party because he already told all his friends in runescape.

Kerk...man, you don't know what you're talking about. Icewolf posted the topic announcing his party on April 20. The war's final rules were agreed to on April 14. Icewolf scheduled his party AFTER it was already clear we had a war, so don't go blaming me for scheduling the war at the day of his party. :angry:

QUOTE (Icewolf)
PS if there is a war scheduled at this time, I will reschedule the 99 party an hour earlier!


Seems to me like that could have been moved if he said it could. <_<

Look, Ice, I don't want to detract from your achievement, because getting 99 in anything is far more than I could do and thieving is a fun skill to train (it was the only skill I ever trained for my one-month period in members about a year ago). I'm just getting really upset that people are running their mouths and blaming me and Lamb for something that wasn't our fault at all. :huh:

Was it on the calendar? Did you say anything about the War beforehand so I was aware to change my time? I think not.

Look, you may have planned it before mine, but publicity of it was lacking. Many people knew about my party, and how many knew about the war? (I believe about 3 people?) You as leaders have to use the resorces on the site, such as the calendar! I put my party on the calendar, and noticed nothing was interfering with it, so I assumed everything would be fine and dandy!

To defend Kerk's case: Yes he is a Warlord, however him and I have been best buds for over 5 years. I think his duties in the clan are important, but if you were put in his shoes... Your best friend reaching a huge milestone, or attend a war? I don't know about you guys, but I would call that a true friend.

As I said before the party:
QUOTE
Idc about the war. I stated in my first post, if there was a war I'll move it.... he never said anything to me and i told all my friends not in AL so there's no way i can rescedule it.

If you want to come to my party, then come! I'm sorry Golden, but if you aren't going to inform me of a war that is apparently scheduled at the same time then it's not my fault.


As the few of you who came (thanks for coming btw!) you could see that I had many other friends not in AL who did attend. When you tell a large number of your friends (I told about 50, plus a few of my youtube friends) the time of a party your having weeks in advance, they do their best to take some time out of their life, just as Kerk said, even for just a few minutes to log on, say congrats, then log off.
It would have been completely unfair to these people to say "o btw, my party's been moved foreward an hour". Sure it may benefit a few of AL members, but many of my friends living in other timezones wouldn't be able to make it.

I was one of the supporters with resheduling the war, whether it be an hour or 2 earlier or an hour after my party. I love to war just as much as the rest of you do.

I have stated my case. If I continue to receive hate messages around the site, then I'm leaving. Just letting you know that now.


ice

No, I'm not an innocent party here. I should have put the bloody thing on the calendar and done a better job of alerting people about it. I'd hope, however, that people would have the wherewithal to actually CHECK forums on this board so they could see things for themselves. <_<

Once people DID know the war was on, nothing was done about it, as the CC dragged its feet about warring at a different time and since the party occurred when we were supposed to be warring, we couldn't war then either. :huh:

tomilson21 - April 26, 2009 05:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Icewolf68 @ Apr 26 2009, 10:25 AM)
QUOTE (tomilson21 @ Apr 26 2009, 10:12 AM)
Honestly I think we should have had the war. Everyone in the clan knows that we have a war on saturday or somtimes sunday. Everyone also knows that the wars are around 3pm est. So my question is why are we planning events at this time ? Im not saying that his accomplishment should go unrecongized but should have been planned at a different time. I was ready to war i wanted  to war. I look forward to the wars. Jaal is right clan wars take priority over smaller events.

1.) Smaller events? Wtf?
2.) Usually there is one scheduled on Saturdays, but we didn't have one last week, and i don't think the week before... I was not made aware of it until the day of. So don't go blaming me for scheduling it at the same time. As I said before... Publicity of this war was quite poor, and very few people knew about it until the day of as well.


ice

yea wars are bigger events you have to go to wars. U dont have to go to events.

Im not tryin to take away from u thats why i said u should be recongized for ur achievment.

CyberianWolf - April 26, 2009 11:16 PM (GMT)
Wow, I'm sorry I had a BBQ this afternoon....

A. Everyone's correct, so simmer down before we get this out of control...... (AGAIN) [BEEP]

B. "Respect is earned and not given away". My favorite saying Irl.
As a funny, There may not be an I in team....but there is a ME. :blink:

Ok more serious,
C. "We have a War every Saturday, or sometimes Sunday". True! A tribute to our hard working leaders, however how often does one of our members celebrates a 99? I have to say that a 99 achievement should be a higher priority than just another weekend war. (as well as a huge clan moral booster) :yes:
If the clan doesn't agree, I ask that we rethink our values.

D. We've argued this over and over. It is still my opinion that we should not have short prep wars. It causes inter-clan conflicts ever single time. If it wasn't short prepped, Ice is right; No one knew about it.
Let's put fault aside for a sec and ask "why is this happening time after time". Is there to much to read on the website? Do the members not know where to look? Why do we keep miscommunicating?

E. I visit the forums practically every day. I had no idea that we had a scheduling conflict until I read this.

Finally....Assuming that we don't have a scheduling conflict in the future.
Jaal is absolutely correct! - If your logged on, you should be attending the war - period. Weather your a lvl 130 Dragon Slaying Pimp or a lvl 75 Piece of Cannor Fodder, you should be in attendance.
We have argued this for months and reached the agreements that persoanl goals should be put aside and that we would attend planned wars or face disiplinary actions. If your a noob :shy: and have a problem, either ask one of us or just yell it out in chat. I'd volunteer to help......the rest of my brother and sister.....you have no excuses.

CWolf :sunglasses:

tomilson21 - April 27, 2009 12:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CyberianWolf @ Apr 26 2009, 06:16 PM)
Ok more serious,
C. "We have a War every Saturday, or sometimes Sunday". True! A tribute to our hard working leaders, however how often does one of our members celebrates a 99? I have to say that a 99 achievement should be a higher priority than just another weekend war. (as well as a huge clan moral booster) :yes:
If the clan doesn't agree, I ask that we rethink our values.


Cyberian what im saying is wars are a mandatory event. They come first but in the future we should not schedule events at the same time that wars tend to be. I have said atleast 3 times that im not trying to take away from ice's accomplishments this is hes third 99 that impressive to me. But for future reference we shouldnt shecdule any events during war times unless the leaders have said there will be no war at that time. but like i said im jsut using the whole thing with Ice's party as an example its not to take away from anything he has done.

Golden arm42 - April 27, 2009 02:01 AM (GMT)
Well, I think we all get the point here. We need to do a better job and uphold our own responsibilities.

I'm going to close this now.




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