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Golden arm42 - April 2, 2009 11:46 PM (GMT)
Well, after some days of deliberations, we've (leaders and council) reached a consensus on how to best implement a new system for dealing with trial members and full members. Here's how it's going to work out.

A member registers, is validated, and posts an application. They become a trial member. Trial members will have access to everything on our forums except for the Council of Members forum and the guides forum. They will remain a trial member until they meet the requirements to become a full member.

A full member can see the two forums mentioned above, as well as all the clan's other forums. The requirement for becoming a full member is attending 2 events and making 20 posts, but unlike previously, this time the members themselves will take the initiative to become a full member. Here's the form for trial members to fill out once they wish to become a full member.

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1. Runescape name/forum name:

2. Have you attended at least two events? Please list them.

3. How many posts have you made?

4. Do you have at least one set of full rune that you'll have available at all times? Do you have a gold explorers' ring?

5. What is your combat level (freeplay)?

6. Please define the terms hug, pile, and fall in:

7. Do you have any comments/suggestions about Ancient Legion or its staff, members, or activity?

8. What will you do to help make Ancient Legion a better place to clan?

7. Do you promise to be active and loyal to Ancient Legion?


This should eliminate the organizational problems that have been discussed and weed out inactive members right at the beginning. This procedure will take effect immediately. :holiday:

Kerkennah - April 2, 2009 11:50 PM (GMT)
Sounds great golden! Btw when is the member of the month for march going to be annoced

Golden arm42 - April 2, 2009 11:52 PM (GMT)
When I can get Lamby to stop being lazy and announce it. :wub: I'm going to be gone all day tomorrow (science conference ftw :P), and if he hasn't done it tomorrow, give him an e-smack for me. :wub:

starwolf_ftw - April 2, 2009 11:55 PM (GMT)
Yay!!! Council finally got something passed! :D

K Arthur90 - April 2, 2009 11:55 PM (GMT)
I agree with the new member trial, and I specially agree with the required initiative from the trial member himself to become a full member, although we'd need a reserved forum for that, which would have to be kept always clean, which requires more monitoring, which requires more time........
Oh, and yeah..... WE WANT MOM!

Golden arm42 - April 2, 2009 11:57 PM (GMT)
Yeah...that's another thing I'll have to do...another forum. :( Any opinions on subforum vs. whole new forum?

damon - April 3, 2009 12:13 AM (GMT)
ffs no no no... trial members shouldnt be called trial members if they dont meet requirements.. they should be called future apps, and we should set a level for future apps... its bs, ur saying a lvl 136 on trial is the same thing as a lvl 3 future app by having them categorized in the same group.

Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 12:15 AM (GMT)
It's just a different part of the trial stage: level 3 needs to train up and level 136 doesn't. Level 3 can't join for real until they reach 75 anyway. :rolleyes:

Dude12dragon - April 3, 2009 12:25 AM (GMT)
Lol this is all my fault because i got my friend to join the clan well nice new system and thanks leaders and council for it :)

dflame58 - April 3, 2009 12:36 AM (GMT)
I agree with this.

but just to say golden

wat about those 2 lower that are under 75. kinda contradicts ur last statement.

Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 12:39 AM (GMT)
They stay trial until they meet all the requirements, including the combat one. :)

iamcoool11 - April 3, 2009 12:45 AM (GMT)
I think this is great, and i would be a moderator for the new fourm, if there will be one :)

starwolf_ftw - April 3, 2009 12:51 AM (GMT)
Making another rank just complicates things... Trial member just means you don't have the requirements for Full member status. 75 combat is a requirement, so if you have lower, you will remain trial til you reach 75 combat. Also if you are level 120 or so and become trial member, they just need post count and show up to two events. These will actually for reinforced and checked for attendence.

Kerkennah - April 3, 2009 01:11 AM (GMT)
no i think there should be an fa rank too
fa is if you don't have 75 combat
trail member is if you do have combat reqs but not the 2 events
full member means you have 75 combat and you passed the req of 2 events

Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 01:13 AM (GMT)
No...as Star said, that would complicate matters unnecessarily. You need certain things to get to full member: combat levels, events attended, etc. There's no need to break that up into two pieces: it's one entitity that becomes a full member.

Mudball99 - April 3, 2009 01:13 AM (GMT)
Sounds great.

*posts a ton and goes 2 events*

:P. At least the requirements seem rather easy :)

K Arthur90 - April 3, 2009 01:17 AM (GMT)
Agreed with Kerk:
Something like Junior Member, or Trainee, or something. He wants to join, but he doesn't meet the requirements. By being a Trainee, he doesn't get his name on RH, doesn't come to wars, but can participate on events and contests. When he reaches the minimum reqs, he can post an application for full membership.

The Trial Member is a player who actually got the minimum reqs. When he signs up, he gets his name on rh, gets to fight on wars, and go to events and contests, but he'll have to post his application for full membership to become a full member, after he meets the events and posts requirements.

I agree with Golden that that would get things a little polluted or messy, but what would be another way to differ Future Applicants vs. Current Trial Members? Only if the Future Applicants also go through the trial period.

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About the forum, I'd say to have a forum that only Trial Members and Leaders+Council could see, so the common members wouldn't have to see another forum on the main page. As soon as the full membership application is posted, the leaders decide on whether to accept it or not, posting the answer and closing the thread. This forum's auto prune would be of two weeks.

Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 01:17 AM (GMT)
Yeah, well now that we've got the conceptual framework down we've got to put it into effect...meaning editing all the pinned topics in this forum, making new forum, changing old permission masks, changing members from one group to another...you get the idea. :) That'll be my Saturday project. ;)

mastaofmelee - April 3, 2009 01:46 AM (GMT)
Well, I'm not goin through the trouble of makin the new rank so that's up to the leaders of course. I think that these are a lot of good ideas though.

Kerkennah - April 3, 2009 01:59 AM (GMT)
I like the ideas arthur, how about if they are an fa, while they are one they can attend the 2 events and stuff. So they can go straight from fa to full member


Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 02:07 AM (GMT)
But I still don't understand why we need to break it up into two separate things. Full members meet all the requirements, including the combat one. Why can't it just be "full" and "trial"? Trial means they don't meet some req, whether it's combat or anything else.

I think we should try to avoid a tangled beauracracy and go with what's more streamlined and simple.

Kerkennah - April 3, 2009 02:11 AM (GMT)
well what if some people don't have 75 combat and they want to join

Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 02:12 AM (GMT)
Then they become a trial member until they meet the req. It's the same as any other req, like events or posts, packaged into one accomplishment the members must reach. It's not like there's THAT much of a difference anyway; they should still be able to have a good time and all. :rolleyes:

Kerkennah - April 3, 2009 03:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 2 2009, 10:12 PM)
Then they become a trial member until they meet the req. It's the same as any other req, like events or posts, packaged into one accomplishment the members must reach. It's not like there's THAT much of a difference anyway; they should still be able to have a good time and all. :rolleyes:

Ok, that works too

starwolf_ftw - April 3, 2009 03:26 AM (GMT)
If we split Trial members to be Trial Members (those that have 75 combat) and Future Applicants (those that don't have 75 combat), then it wouldn't even be neccessary to have this application and a stronger process. It gives me a huge headache having different ranks for those that have only certain requirements. Those that wish to join are equal to the clan, and they must prove themselves by getting the requirements if they wish become a Full member. Some will have to work hard on combat (like Unicornbest) and some will have to work on their post count (Jaal and Nguy). If people are refusing to work hard to become a Full member of Ancient legion by means of training or post count, then they shouldn't of bothered signing up.

Icewolf68 - April 3, 2009 03:48 AM (GMT)
Sounds like a great idea! Can't wait for MOTM either :P


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thegame910 - April 3, 2009 05:00 AM (GMT)
sounds good to me, this will help get an accurate runehead for wars as well

Chuffa - April 3, 2009 08:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 2 2009, 07:39 PM)
They stay trial until they meet all the requirements, including the combat one. :)

Trial members can't come war then.

Runeter2 - April 3, 2009 09:11 AM (GMT)
HM.. Sounds great Golden.. Should be easier to cover the trial members now.

nickedemus16 - April 3, 2009 11:21 AM (GMT)
i like this
but now i need a few more posts and 2 events and i can b a full member
and fill out another application thingy :D

damon - April 3, 2009 07:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Apr 2 2009, 07:15 PM)
It's just a different part of the trial stage: level 3 needs to train up and level 136 doesn't.  Level 3 can't join for real until they reach 75 anyway. :rolleyes:

why have reqs then? they are basically in the clan if they are on trial.. plus if u have people under reqs joining trial members, they might not even level.. then what? they become friends with people in clan, become well known, and then your gonna wanna keep them.. now we have people under reqs... do it right.. stop accepting every1 to join... i mean ffs u accept some1 who cant even spell application right...

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QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Apr 2 2009, 07:51 PM)
Making another rank just complicates things... Trial member just means you don't have the requirements for Full member status. 75 combat is a requirement, so if you have lower, you will remain trial til you reach 75 combat. Also if you are level 120 or so and become trial member, they just need post count and show up to two events. These will actually for reinforced and checked for attendence.

no its not complicated.. its logical... trial member doesnt mean you dont have the requirements.. trial member mean your on trial to see if you're active and your behavior so we dont have assholes joining the clan like athen or have inactive members.. there is a huge difference between trial and future application

damon - April 3, 2009 07:13 PM (GMT)
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Kerkennah - April 3, 2009 07:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (damon @ Apr 3 2009, 03:13 PM)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Apr 2 2009, 07:51 PM)
Making another rank just complicates things... Trial member just means you don't have the requirements for Full member status. 75 combat is a requirement, so if you have lower, you will remain trial til you reach 75 combat. Also if you are level 120 or so and become trial member, they just need post count and show up to two events. These will actually for reinforced and checked for attendence.

no its not complicated.. its logical... trial member doesnt mean you dont have the requirements.. trial member mean your on trial to see if you're active and your behavior so we dont have assholes joining the clan like athen or have inactive members.. there is a huge difference between trial and future application

this has been my idea since the start, i really don't know how its complicated

Dager007 - April 3, 2009 08:06 PM (GMT)
It's ok to me, get ppl alittle more active.

Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 08:12 PM (GMT)
We're going to try it this way and then adjust it as necessary. :rolleyes:




K Arthur90 - April 3, 2009 08:35 PM (GMT)
Agreed with Golden. We can't change things without experimenting a little. I say let's try it for a month or two then.

blompty2 - April 3, 2009 08:36 PM (GMT)
I don't want to sound mean or anything but i think there should be no exceptions. 75+clan means 75+ clan. A 75+ clan with several 60's dosent look very good does it. rhe minimum in my opinion, that anyone below 75+ that wants to be in the clan shud be 70+ and even then they shud be trial members but they have to prove themsekves even more like attend 3 events or something like that. Just letting anyone in and seeing them sit on there asses doing nothing helps the clan , no.

Of course all the above is just imo. =p

K Arthur90 - April 3, 2009 08:47 PM (GMT)
But blompty, the 75- members don't go to wars neither have their name on the rh, so essentially, we're still a 75+ clan.

Lit - April 3, 2009 09:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (K Arthur90 @ Apr 3 2009, 05:47 PM)
But blompty, the 75- members don't go to wars neither have their name on the rh, so essentially, we're still a 75+ clan.

There are some 75- on the RH, a few remained from the Req Adjustement. In this case, if they don't level (and 60-75 is not that much really), they should be kicked imo. Having everyone just laying on the forums and not being able to attend wars (and not even have the will to level a bit) doesn't help at all.

Golden arm42 - April 3, 2009 09:40 PM (GMT)
^^ What he said. :) I'm going to change some stuff around now and get this implemented. ;)




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