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damon - March 11, 2009 01:21 AM (GMT)
Im not necessarily mad at the fact that we lost the war with lethality (since i predicted that without a higher pull we would) im just mad at the way the war was handled. I know the war was short prep, but having no full rune isnt no excuse... since you know... full rune is a REQUIREMENT in the first place...(DON@@@@$$%$%). Next... last time i checked wars were another REQUIREMENT if you are online.. so dont give no bull [BEEP] excuse like: "ive only been to 1 war. So actually i do" (as in have a choice not 2 go). This is the type of problem i addressed waaay back when. This should b punishable... It's not just Dflame, but he was the one to make it seem like he was too much of a Boss to go to a war... i can at least say at the very least tidus planned to go and had intentions.. but wtf is this?

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I mean... its not that hard to get supplies.. even if u didnt have rune, its not hard to buy...(not talkin to don cuz he had VERY short notice, no time to go to ge).. look at athen and star... i gave them basically no prep yet they got supplies and came... which i commend both of u on..

Now to the war itself.. yes we were outnumberd.. yes we were out levled.. but we lost way worse then we should have... i mean wtf? how do people die before me when im the first pile!?!?! and no its not just 1 person.. it was 4 people who died before me... this makes absolutely no sense.. this means u are either fighting 1 on 1 and dying... or ur getting attacked by a minipile and not tanking.. We didnt even follow the call... and yes maybe i did only call 1 person... but since he didnt even die until like 4 of us remained and the clan failed to pile him early... i cannot even b held accountable for lack of calls. We need to tighten up on things like this... the war prep and attendance and war execution.. and no it wasnt just tidus and dflame that didnt show.. it was a good 5-6 of you.. you know who u are..

K Arthur90 - March 11, 2009 01:24 AM (GMT)
Excuse me, but only official set-ahead wars are required if you are on... I myself honestly say I didn't went. Because:
1st. Short notice
2nd. Not official
3rd. No warring supplies and no money to get them
4th. Official Warring AFAIK happens on weekends when we do have enough people online willing to war to have a good pull.
5th. I didn't want, and since it was not an official war, I could choose not to go.

It is good to see you are giving your best to bring victories to AL as a warlord and I must say you are doing a great job, but short prep short-notice wars are not the way I intend to war. If this is your way, then I must say I disagree with you. You can't expect to have everyone stop whatever they are doing (whether it be quests/money making/skilling/levelling) and obey you, as well you expect people to be ready whenever war opportunities show up.

This is my opinion, and I can surely say that I'm not the only one who thinks like that.

Lamb Bug - March 11, 2009 01:25 AM (GMT)
Two ends of the spectrum: your topic and here. And Cyberian's topic in general discussion.

I still think short-preps are a good thing, but please debate this issue. Do not flame; we're all in this together, and there's no reason to get pissed at your fellow clanmates.

EDIT: Damon, changed your topic title. :unsure:

starwolf_ftw - March 11, 2009 01:26 AM (GMT)
I wasn't happy with the war performance either, but this was EXTREMELY short notice for some, mainly me because right when I logged on I see Damon's plea to come to the war.

Sure, I'm not too happy that I had to go to a war when it was unexpected, but at least I went. I'm not too happy there was a war to begin with. Can we have a little bit more time as in an hour before the war please! I had no f2p food so I went to the war with only 48 hp... :angry:

Lamb Bug - March 11, 2009 01:30 AM (GMT)
Perhaps we should all have a stock of pizzas/a rune set in bank so this won't take us by suprise as much? :o

This is a good chance to debate this matter, but PLEASE do not flame. I know there's the urge...but it's like an itch: you gotta resist. :P

K Arthur90 - March 11, 2009 01:31 AM (GMT)
As long as we don't stick our finger saying "It was him!", it's a peaceful debate ^_^

dflame58 - March 11, 2009 01:31 AM (GMT)
1. why would u even ask us to go to this on such short notice.
2. I'm not acting like i'm the boss. I don't like to war. I didn't join the clan to war. I went to the first war that was planned after i joined and i didn't enjoy it. (but i am the boss of my self :P)
3. with 1 and 2 together even more of a reason to not go.


I'm sorry if you guys don't like it that I dont go to wars. and tbh i'd rather focus on 99 range than go to wars especially ones on short notice.

damon - March 11, 2009 01:38 AM (GMT)
ok... first of all the majority of the cc decided to go through with the short prep war... second.. its considered a war, therefore if you are logged on at the time you are required to go.. like i said star and athen got shortest notice yet they were still able to make it... and d flame what u said did not just mean u werent coming to this war because it was short prep.. but u basically said if it wasnt u still wouldnt have come.. so -1 for that.. and no lamb this is not considering flaming because i made this huge post before saying that either we need to do the warring team or be stricter on the current warring requirements... and now that im bieng strict on the old system it seems like im causing problems.. no... im not.. and to k arthur.. it wasnt an official war but wat makes it not an official event? We are far from a good warring clan, and i set this up mainly to get practice. If u didnt have money for supplies ask.. i had extra food i could have gave u .. and since rune is a requirement.. well... yea.. u should have had it...anyways.. i know it was short prep.. but you personally arthur had more then enough time to prepare if you really needed to.. and since u didnt have supplies.. u could have just showed up to bh and maybe we could have helped u out.. Whats sad here is that all this makes me seem like a prick now all because things werent handled way back when i first mentioned them

K Arthur90 - March 11, 2009 01:41 AM (GMT)
Damon. I didn't say I didn't have rune armor. I didn't have food. Not a single fish.
Also, Official events are those with posts on the forum, stating when, where, how, who, what. I know I had enough time to even fish and cook my own food, but since it was not an official event/war, it was not obligatory.
And... This clan is not a warring clan. It's a complete one. Which means we are not focused on warring only and becoming "King of the Hill", ya know.

dflame58 - March 11, 2009 01:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (damon @ Mar 10 2009, 08:38 PM)
and d flame what u said did not just mean u werent coming to this war because it was short prep.. but u basically said if it wasnt u still wouldnt have come..

yah ur right. I told that to you and i said it already here.

thanks for reiterating.

EDIT
okay so apparently it all got started by a lth member coming into cc and asking us to war.

I'd like to say 2 things about this.



1. Of course damon is going to accept, hes the warlord. Next time think about the rest of us and don't expect all of us to go. If i were to spontaneously make a clan war minigame event i wouldnt be nagging everyone to go. if u want to go, then go.

2. I remember at least 2 weeks ago. a Lth member came in and asked us if we could help them war and that we shoiuld go to clan wars, world x immediately. Now many of the members decided to go and help. A few minutes later they all came back and were like wtf they told us to leave. Now really.. that was just horrible for lth to do. All the members stopped what they were doing. got items , maybe bought items. left their xp spots, quests whatever. hopped worlds. only to be told they cant help. I don't want anything to do with lth after that happened and i wasnt one that left cc to go help them out.

starwolf_ftw - March 11, 2009 01:43 AM (GMT)
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I say that if we are going to have a short notice war, then we need to know about it one hour ahead of time. It will then be mandatory and that gives us all plenty of prep time. I hate how right when I got to the Tzhaar after I got back from looking from a job, I have to go to a war. Giving us the down low about a future war in the day would solve this issue. Plus if people still didn't go to the war, then they'll be punished. This sound reasonable?


This is from my discussion with Lamb about CyberWolf. But please guys, let's not make this like the end of the world. I'd like a clan I call home to still be here tommarow morning.

K Arthur90 - March 11, 2009 01:47 AM (GMT)
One hour is even not enough.
There are some peeps I know (some not even from AL) than plan one day ahead what are they going to do on their precious little time they manage to get online. When something pops-up from nowhere, it not only disrupts the schedule, but can also affect whatever he/she was doing, like waiting for evil tree, or questing, or even gathering money to buy food for an eventual official war.

G2G for today now, so don't expect more posts from me till tomorrow.

damon - March 11, 2009 02:09 AM (GMT)
ok d flame ur pissing me off now.. it was ok before but now lying on me is [BEEP]ing low.. i didnt just accept and say GO TO CLAN WARS NOW or even make a decision myself... as yam, lord, tidus, nguy, and the rest of the cc was my witnesses i asked every1 first if they wanted to do cw.. and majority ruled.. so dont give me some bull [BEEP] about " he is the warlord of course he is gonna accept blah blah blah" I was busy at the time too.. alching.. but i saw the clan needs to be helped in the warring department so i decided to set this up with the majority of the cc vote. So dont give ME this bs about initiating the war when it was the MAJORITY of YOUR clanmates that agreed to this. And as i said arthur i didnt say u had no rune.. i said i could have gave u food.. like i said.. i had extras so u would have been set if you would have just communicated.. Plus i see gaining moeny to buy food as a sad excuse... at most a full load of lobs is less the 7k max price in ge... if u need a day to make 7k then u have problems. next, 1 day is not a short prep war really, and the war was scheduled while both clans had as many members on as they could.. having a war an hour later would have made some of us probably have to leave and such..therefore the purpose of a shortprep was to capture both clans while they had a good amount of people on.

Lamb Bug - March 11, 2009 02:16 AM (GMT)
A daylong prep would not do anything. The point of a short prep is that it's fought spur-of-the moment. You can't concievably wait for a day or more to do a short prep war; more often, it's when the two clans happen to have a lot on and decide to make something happen.

EDIT: Gonna close this now. ;)

damon - March 11, 2009 02:20 AM (GMT)
why... let people post..

dflame58 - March 11, 2009 02:24 AM (GMT)
WHen i came into cc all that i saw was

BH world 7 now or something rather.

i didnt really know wat was going on.

U pmed me if i was going

I said no.

u flipped out.

U made this thread and here we are.



What do u want from me?

oh and edit

just because the majority want to go doesnt mean the minority wants to.

Yamunu - March 11, 2009 02:36 AM (GMT)
Short preps arent mandatory. Damon did NOT force anyone to go. As for dflame, he may have gotten upset because you tend to not participate in wars, often. BAck to short preps, damon did request people to come, no one was forced, no one was threathned to come or else, if they said no they said no. If you went becasuse you thiught it was mandatory, then its your own fault for bealiveing it. Only wars i see that would be mandatory if your online at the tiem are planned wars that we've been declared apon, or we've declared on somone. For the sake fo the clans prestige.... Anyong bickering or winning over it, get over yourselves..

dflame58 - March 11, 2009 02:41 AM (GMT)
i agree for the most part.


I'm a selfish person :P i'm going to moan and whine.

Lit - March 11, 2009 02:54 AM (GMT)
We're not a warring clan as far as I know, do wars matter this much? Specially low-prep ones We shouldn't accept these in the first place IMO.

As Arthur said, we don't have to go to these kind of wars if we don't want to/ don't have supplies/ are busy.

And stop flaming Dflame, he can do whatever he wants with his life. Again, we're not a warring clan, or we wouldn't have Skilling Contests/Events.

dflame58 - March 11, 2009 02:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lit @ Mar 10 2009, 09:54 PM)
We're not a warring clan as far as I know, do wars matter this much? Specially low-prep ones We shouldn't accept these in the first place IMO.

As Arthur said, we don't have to go to these kind of wars if we don't want to/ don't have supplies/ are busy.

And stop flaming Dflame, he can do whatever he wants with his life. Again, we're not a warring clan, or we wouldn't have Skilling Contests/Events.

technically wars are required if you are on. I think this only applies to planned wars tho so they can still get mad at me but not really for this war.

but it would be a shame to boot me out just because i dont attend wars.

damon - March 11, 2009 02:58 AM (GMT)
clearly we are not on the same page on this situation cuz i say wars are mandatory based on what lamb told me... i mean im not a total [BEEP] hole so i understand that around 2 people would have been excluded from that war without argument.. which was star and athen.. who both logged in right before we went to cw.. both some how made it.. and not to sound like a jerk.. if they could in less then 5 minutes.. it shows that the rest of u guys could have made it in the 20 minutes allotted time. Yes i asked star to come but i didnt force him.. i know he just logged so if he said he was busy then.. well he cant come. But no offence to you star.. but i often here the excuse.. that im lagging too much to come to a war.. so thats another thing that pisses me off... i remember the TALK war i asked some1 if they were going, but they say no.. they are lagging and cant come.. Not to say that they werent... it shouldnt b that easy to get out of a war.. at least come watch... wat also gets me is.. this person said they were lagging yet they stayed on for a good while... i mean...wtf? and no im not trying to flame this person cuz they are my friend.. im just saying.. if every1 says they are lagging.. that basically means no1 has to show to wars right?

starwolf_ftw - March 11, 2009 03:02 AM (GMT)
Sorry Damon, when you live on a college campus, lag fluxuates rapidly. During the week around prime time (like our war), most college students are in their rooms either studying, working on homework, or on the internet (that's me :P ). Therefore lag is at it's worst at that time til about 11 pm or so, then it gets ok.

On Saturdays however, college students are never in the dorms. About 60% or so go to the Metroplex (Dallas-Fort Worth) or go home if it's a reasonable distance. Lag is at a minimal and not really a problem. So that's why I complain about lag alot lol :lol:

Cjm721 - March 11, 2009 03:06 AM (GMT)
I would like to add this just as a thought before this is closed.
As many of you know I died with 500k (f2p) with all my rune and monny. It takes me with 70 minning world hopping 3k a every 5min thats 180k an hour min for me. So not having rune becuase of somthing that happened and you dont have the time to get it back I belive that you should not be punished. Now if you have the monny and dont have full rune thats a difrent story.

dflame58 - March 11, 2009 03:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (damon @ Mar 10 2009, 09:58 PM)
clearly we are not on the same page on this situation cuz i say wars are mandatory based on what lamb told me...

u cant honestly think its reasonable to make it mandatory if u start the war like 10 minutes after u say we r warring.

i dont really know the time frame from agreeing to war and the actual war.

w/e tho.

damon - March 11, 2009 03:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dflame58 @ Mar 10 2009, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (damon @ Mar 10 2009, 09:58 PM)
clearly we are not on the same page on this situation cuz i say wars are mandatory based on what lamb told me...

u cant honestly think its reasonable to make it mandatory if u start the war like 10 minutes after u say we r warring.

i dont really know the time frame from agreeing to war and the actual war.

w/e tho.

it was really more 20+ minutes from when i first announced it... and thats what short preps are about.

Kerkennah - March 11, 2009 03:37 AM (GMT)
I like Short prep wars, they really test how good a clan is. Maybe now in the future, we can tell people that short perp wars can come up at any time, that way people can attend. I think we need to fix our reqs if we really love wars. We should make it that everyone has a rune set, or whatever they do at wars, all the time in their bank. They should also have a minimum of 100 lobsters, swordies and pizzas. The person should post a picture of these when they apply for the clan. That way when we have a short prep war, which is usually like 1 hour or 30 min before, we will be ready. I don't see why people wouldn't want to take a break from what their doing to come help their clan with a war.

What happened today seems right to me. The majority agreed on a war, thus it was going to happen. I really think that once the war was declared that everyone should go help out since they were online at the time. If we are going to continue having short prep wars, then make an annocement so that people will know that sometimes while they are playing that there can be a war.

the sun god - March 11, 2009 03:51 AM (GMT)
I'm sorry if our war caused any trouble.

We normally war MINIMUM of 1 hour prep, but the clans we asked before you declined. I mentioned Ancient Legion in passing, and our leader thought to war you guys.

In my clan, we tend to avoid short prep wars, we only do them when we have 10+ on and we're itching for a war. This was a very shot notice war (about 20 minutes) and should not be taken to harshly. It was very shot prep, and, for you clan, was optional. My clan had several people who were not prepared as well, and several that were nearly late. Our leader stockpiled all warring supplies, so he can hand it out to the less prepared incase they need it. But that task would fall on someone who was very doveted to the clan.

Dude12dragon - March 11, 2009 06:19 AM (GMT)
well damon i know i was online at the time but i had no time to be prepared:

#1no time to get rune set or food.

#2im a member now so its hard to always have money.

#3 i didn;t even hear about the war untill u guys were in it.




Kid im sorry about missing it but you got to under stand that its hard sometimes :(

Dager007 - March 11, 2009 08:21 PM (GMT)
First off, I don't really support Damon's naming ppl who messed up, he should have kept it anonymous, but I do agree about how poorly we performed, I mean, we didn't kill 1 person until we were down to 4 ppl.




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