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Title: Beginning of the Universe?
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Josephgregg - January 25, 2009 03:36 PM (GMT)
This has been a question that has been in the minds of many great philosophers throughout the ages. And now, a combat-centered RuneScape clan shall attempt to answer it: How did the Universe begin?

Well, here are my two cents on this issue:

First, the laws of science have to be taken into consideration. First: nothing is ever created out of something. Second: energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed.

These two facts immediately disprove all the common possibilities of how the universe was created. Energy was obviously needed to make a Big Bang, and certainly the Big Bang couldn't have happened unless something made it happen. Therefore, the universe could not have created itself. So now we have two mutually exclusive facts: the universe could not have been created using only the laws of science, but yet we do exist. Therefore, the universe must have been created outside the laws of science, or by something outside the laws of science.

Therefore, there must have been some Intelligent Being, who supercedes the laws of science and nature which it itself created, that created the Universe, was able to create something out of nothing, and possibly transferred some of its own energy (or created some, if it was possible for it to do that) into creating the Universe. It seems odd that an explanation, possibly the explanation, for why the universe was created, despite the limits of the laws of science, completely goes against all the laws of science :P

I can tell this is going to be a fun discussion :D

Lamb Bug - January 25, 2009 04:25 PM (GMT)
That energy cannot be created or destroyed is true. But energy takes up no space.

Here is my thought: All energy in the universe (but it wasn't really the universe because the universe hadn't formed yet) somehow converged on a single point. Suddenly, it exploded outwards at an insane speed.

Since Einstein's formula E=MC squared has been proven, a little of the energy from the Big Bang was converted into a lot of mass. Gravity caused the mass to combine into stars, which started the process of fusion, binding hydrogen atoms into helium. When large stars reached the end of their lifespan, they supernoved, allowing for huge amounts of fusion to occur in a very short time, thus creating all the other elements.

Golden arm42 - January 25, 2009 04:52 PM (GMT)
I really don't know...astrophysics makes my brain dissolve...:P

Kerkennah - January 25, 2009 05:04 PM (GMT)
It's pretty obvious that God is the creator of the universe and all the things in it.

Lamb Bug - January 25, 2009 05:04 PM (GMT)
It seems like a lot makes your brain dissolve Golden. :P

Kevinsaurus - January 25, 2009 05:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Golden arm42 @ Jan 25 2009, 11:52 AM)
I really don't know...astrophysics makes my brain dissolve...:P

yup same here lolz... i'm not even gonna try to debate this >.<

Josephgregg - January 25, 2009 07:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lamb Bug @ Jan 25 2009, 11:25 AM)
That energy cannot be created or destroyed is true. But energy takes up no space.

Here is my thought: All energy in the universe (but it wasn't really the universe because the universe hadn't formed yet) somehow converged on a single point. Suddenly, it exploded outwards at an insane speed.

Since Einstein's formula E=MC squared has been proven, a little of the energy from the Big Bang was converted into a lot of mass. Gravity caused the mass to combine into stars, which started the process of fusion, binding hydrogen atoms into helium. When large stars reached the end of their lifespan, they supernoved, allowing for huge amounts of fusion to occur in a very short time, thus creating all the other elements.

Ah, but there was no energy in the universe. How can it converge on a single point, if there isn't any to converge in the first place? Events can be traced farther and farther back, but eventually you reach a place where they can't be explained by science. That's where an Intelligent Designer comes in. Someone who supercedes the laws of nature, who didn't have a defined beginning or end. Since there is no explanation that is scientifical, the explanation has to be "un-scientifical".

Wolfclaw104 - February 10, 2009 12:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Jan 25 2009, 12:04 PM)
It's pretty obvious that God is the creator of the universe and all the things in it.

Matters what religon you believe in ;)

-Wolf

Rallos Zek6 - February 10, 2009 12:56 AM (GMT)
god did it. :>

Josephgregg - February 10, 2009 01:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wolfclaw104 @ Feb 9 2009, 07:51 PM)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Jan 25 2009, 12:04 PM)
It's pretty obvious that God is the creator of the universe and all the things in it.

Matters what religon you believe in ;)

-Wolf

Well, most religions belive in god :P Even agnostics believe in a god, they just don't want to bother with Him/Her/It.

To reiterate what I said earlier, it's very likely that the world took the path that you (Lamb Bug) stated, except for one thing. The "little energy in the universe" didn't exist, as energy can't be created, especially if there wasn't even anything there to create it. Therefore, something had to exist before anything existed (confusing paradoxes always get to you :lol: ), that had an infinite wealth of energy, or at least enough energy to cause the Big Bang. There simply is no other explanation; the Universe exists, but the universe couldn't create itself or create its own energy, as it doesn't have its own intelligence or since it didn't exist before it existed (the universe is a mortal thing, so it had a beginning and will have an ending eventually). But a god, an immortal being that is above the laws of nature, that doesn't have a beginning or an end, but that simply Is...that is the only and most logical explanation that I know of, and that anyone I know knows of. But is there any other theory on the creation of the universe?

Also, Einstein's law that says nothing can travel faster than light has been disproven. An experiment resulted in two atoms conveying information to each other faster than the speed of light, which completely disproves Einstein's therory. Just an interesting fact :)

starwolf_ftw - February 10, 2009 01:27 AM (GMT)
Joe basically what has been stated is that we don't know the answers to everything, but we can always dream what the posibilites could be. The answers to our questions are as limitless as the number of questions we want answers to. I just say that we leave the questions about our creation, our exhistence, and our eventual end should not be stated because it all creates the same thing, conflict. This has caused wars in the past, present, and the evident future. So why bother discussing what we have no clue about?

Techy - February 10, 2009 01:28 AM (GMT)
It's kinda ironic that I'm posting this right after CCD but... :P

I do believe their is something of a higher order involved in the creation of the universe. You can't create energy, so the universe couldn't be created from nothing. Also, they say the universe is endless, yet constantly expanding. I do believe in the Big Bang Theory, and that a giant star exploded to create our Solar System. Our planet was one of the results of all the floating gas and matter coming back together and condensing.

But maybe what we perceive as the universe is wrong. Maybe there's more to time and space that we can't understand. Like a black hole...if you go through one, what happens? Are you destroyed molecule by molecule, is their any time? If your light is going in, and other light is going out, do you see time backwards?

Just as a side not, one of Saturn's (or Jupiter's) moons has been found volcanically active and has lots of gas. So it has been considered the best hopes of sustaining life so far, better than Mars does/did. :)

starwolf_ftw - February 10, 2009 01:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Techy @ Feb 9 2009, 07:28 PM)
It's kinda ironic that I'm posting this right after CCD but... :P

I do believe their is something of a higher order involved in the creation of the universe. You can't create energy, so the universe couldn't be created from nothing. Also, they say the universe is endless, yet constantly expanding. I do believe in the Big Bang Theory, and that a giant star exploded to create our Solar System. Our planet was one of the results of all the floating gas and matter coming back together and condensing.

But maybe what we perceive as the universe is wrong. Maybe there's more to time and space that we can't understand. Like a black hole...if you go through one, what happens? Are you destroyed molecule by molecule, is their any time? If your light is going in, and other light is going out, do you see time backwards?

Just as a side not, one of Saturn's (or Jupiter's) moons has been found volcanically active and has lots of gas. So it has been considered the best hopes of sustaining life so far, better than Mars does/did. :)

You are referring to one of the Galaleian Moons of Jupiter, Io. But that planet has no atmosphere... Not to mention the entire planet is volcanically active.

Josephgregg - February 10, 2009 02:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 08:27 PM)
Joe basically what has been stated is that we don't know the answers to everything, but we can always dream what the posibilites could be. The answers to our questions are as limitless as the number of questions we want answers to. I just say that we leave the questions about our creation, our exhistence, and our eventual end should not be stated because it all creates the same thing, conflict. This has caused wars in the past, present, and the evident future. So why bother discussing what we have no clue about?

Whether or not all this matters really depends on the answer to the question. If there isn't a god, then it doesn't matter whether or not we believe in one, as it won't affect anything. However, if a god exists, and we decide to ignore the possibility of its existence...well, depending on what religion you believe in, you generally end up in hell :( So yes, this can be a very big deal. What does it matter if we spend an hour discussing the existence of a god, compared to eternal life or eternal torture? Eternity lasts a long time... :P

But no disrespect meant, star.

starwolf_ftw - February 10, 2009 02:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josephgregg @ Feb 9 2009, 08:02 PM)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 08:27 PM)
Joe basically what has been stated is that we don't know the answers to everything, but we can always dream what the posibilites could be. The answers to our questions are as limitless as the number of questions we want answers to. I just say that we leave the questions about our creation, our exhistence, and our eventual end should not be stated because it all creates the same thing, conflict. This has caused wars in the past, present, and the evident future. So why bother discussing what we have no clue about?

Whether or not all this matters really depends on the answer to the question. If there isn't a god, then it doesn't matter whether or not we believe in one, as it won't affect anything. However, if a god exists, and we decide to ignore the possibility of its existence...well, depending on what religion you believe in, you generally end up in hell :( So yes, this can be a very big deal. What does it matter if we spend an hour discussing the existence of a god, compared to eternal life or eternal torture? Eternity lasts a long time... :P

But no disrespect meant, star.

I'm not saying I follow any religion or am atheist, I just like debating :P If there is a god and we ignore him, how do we know IT (don't want to be sexist) even exhists? If we waste all this time to spread religion throughout the entire planet, and eventually to other worlds, only to find out that when we die, that's it. I don't belive there is no heaven or hell because if you think they do exhist, then show it to me on a map. It might be possible that heaven and hell are different universes and when we die our souls are transferred to another realm of either happiness or literally hell, but it all seems so unrealistic. If the people of our time spent all this time focused in religion instead into another form of science or media, imagine where we could be by now. I don't mean to sound anti relgious, but these questions I have pondered don't have any ways of being answered within reality.

Josephgregg - February 10, 2009 02:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE (Josephgregg @ Feb 9 2009, 08:02 PM)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 08:27 PM)
Joe basically what has been stated is that we don't know the answers to everything, but we can always dream what the posibilites could be. The answers to our questions are as limitless as the number of questions we want answers to. I just say that we leave the questions about our creation, our exhistence, and our eventual end should not be stated because it all creates the same thing, conflict. This has caused wars in the past, present, and the evident future. So why bother discussing what we have no clue about?

Whether or not all this matters really depends on the answer to the question. If there isn't a god, then it doesn't matter whether or not we believe in one, as it won't affect anything. However, if a god exists, and we decide to ignore the possibility of its existence...well, depending on what religion you believe in, you generally end up in hell :( So yes, this can be a very big deal. What does it matter if we spend an hour discussing the existence of a god, compared to eternal life or eternal torture? Eternity lasts a long time... :P

But no disrespect meant, star.

I'm not saying I follow any religion or am atheist, I just like debating :P If there is a god and we ignore him, how do we know IT (don't want to be sexist) even exhists? If we waste all this time to spread religion throughout the entire planet, and eventually to other worlds, only to find out that when we die, that's it. I don't belive there is no heaven or hell because if you think they do exhist, then show it to me on a map. It might be possible that heaven and hell are different universes and when we die our souls are transferred to another realm of either happiness or literally hell, but it all seems so unrealistic. If the people of our time spent all this time focused in religion instead into another form of science or media, imagine where we could be by now. I don't mean to sound anti relgious, but these questions I have pondered don't have any ways of being answered within reality.

Fair point. And I like debating too, especially through typing because I don't have to stand up and give a speech :P

So if I'm getting this right, you're saying that it would be better in general if people stopped trying to spread their religion and instead worked on medicine and things like that (which are, don't get me wrong, extremely important aspects of our lives). This would be better...if a god didn't exist. But think about it from a point of view that assumes/knows a god exists. If a god exists, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to make sure people spend the rest of eternity in heaven than to make our short span of life here on Earth slightly more improved? Enjoying our time here on Earth, doing what we can to enrich others' lives, is very important. But if a god exists, and I think he/she/it does, then it is far more important to prepare people for eternity. :D

Lamb Bug - February 10, 2009 02:30 AM (GMT)
This appears to have turned into a debate about religion. In my opinion, people dilly-dally with so-called "proof" one way or another. But they almost never cut straight to the point. The point is that a major hallmark of "faith" is that it cannot be proven nor disproven. It is something that just needs to be accepted on....what else? faith!


starwolf_ftw - February 10, 2009 02:40 AM (GMT)
Who says there is an eternity? If we prepare ourselves for eternity, what happens if there is no eternity? Some people have just wasted their lives to something that has been thought ture for thousands of years. If there is an afterlife, how come we cannot find any records of such phenomena? Faith is the only thing that keeps these people from going insane. It's more like blind faith and getting lucky at Vegas. I'd rather live my life to the fullest and enjoy ever minute with no regrets.

Wolfclaw104 - February 10, 2009 02:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE (Josephgregg @ Feb 9 2009, 08:02 PM)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 08:27 PM)
Joe basically what has been stated is that we don't know the answers to everything, but we can always dream what the posibilites could be. The answers to our questions are as limitless as the number of questions we want answers to. I just say that we leave the questions about our creation, our exhistence, and our eventual end should not be stated because it all creates the same thing, conflict. This has caused wars in the past, present, and the evident future. So why bother discussing what we have no clue about?

Whether or not all this matters really depends on the answer to the question. If there isn't a god, then it doesn't matter whether or not we believe in one, as it won't affect anything. However, if a god exists, and we decide to ignore the possibility of its existence...well, depending on what religion you believe in, you generally end up in hell :( So yes, this can be a very big deal. What does it matter if we spend an hour discussing the existence of a god, compared to eternal life or eternal torture? Eternity lasts a long time... :P

But no disrespect meant, star.

I'm not saying I follow any religion or am atheist, I just like debating :P If there is a god and we ignore him, how do we know IT (don't want to be sexist) even exhists? If we waste all this time to spread religion throughout the entire planet, and eventually to other worlds, only to find out that when we die, that's it. I don't belive there is no heaven or hell because if you think they do exhist, then show it to me on a map. It might be possible that heaven and hell are different universes and when we die our souls are transferred to another realm of either happiness or literally hell, but it all seems so unrealistic. If the people of our time spent all this time focused in religion instead into another form of science or media, imagine where we could be by now. I don't mean to sound anti relgious, but these questions I have pondered don't have any ways of being answered within reality.

Star, I do see the sense in your point of view because I have also pondered that question. This is what I think, ;) I think that it is impossible to show heaven or hell on a map because no living human being has ever been there to tell us what it is like and where it is located. I see your point, but this is when believing comes in it ;) . It all matters how much you believe in your religon, for some people their religon is what makes them through the day. It is okay to share what we belive as long as we don't get carried away :rolleyes: . (No offence star) I heard a scientist or scientists that had a idea that we formed from mud :unsure: I find it hard to live on Earth and not believe in anything. Science can't always explain everything...if we didn't belive in anything the would would be very different from now...think about it....yes many people wouldn't of died (Crusades etc.), but then the world would be soooo different. Why do you think people belive in religons? So they have something to look up to when they don't know what they should do, so that they will always be able to look for guidance etc.

starwolf_ftw - February 10, 2009 03:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wolfclaw104 @ Feb 9 2009, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE (Josephgregg @ Feb 9 2009, 08:02 PM)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Feb 9 2009, 08:27 PM)
Joe basically what has been stated is that we don't know the answers to everything, but we can always dream what the posibilites could be. The answers to our questions are as limitless as the number of questions we want answers to. I just say that we leave the questions about our creation, our exhistence, and our eventual end should not be stated because it all creates the same thing, conflict. This has caused wars in the past, present, and the evident future. So why bother discussing what we have no clue about?

Whether or not all this matters really depends on the answer to the question. If there isn't a god, then it doesn't matter whether or not we believe in one, as it won't affect anything. However, if a god exists, and we decide to ignore the possibility of its existence...well, depending on what religion you believe in, you generally end up in hell :( So yes, this can be a very big deal. What does it matter if we spend an hour discussing the existence of a god, compared to eternal life or eternal torture? Eternity lasts a long time... :P

But no disrespect meant, star.

I'm not saying I follow any religion or am atheist, I just like debating :P If there is a god and we ignore him, how do we know IT (don't want to be sexist) even exhists? If we waste all this time to spread religion throughout the entire planet, and eventually to other worlds, only to find out that when we die, that's it. I don't belive there is no heaven or hell because if you think they do exhist, then show it to me on a map. It might be possible that heaven and hell are different universes and when we die our souls are transferred to another realm of either happiness or literally hell, but it all seems so unrealistic. If the people of our time spent all this time focused in religion instead into another form of science or media, imagine where we could be by now. I don't mean to sound anti relgious, but these questions I have pondered don't have any ways of being answered within reality.

Star, I do see the sense in your point of view because I have also pondered that question. This is what I think, ;) I think that it is impossible to show heaven or hell on a map because no living human being has ever been there to tell us what it is like and where it is located. I see your point, but this is when believing comes in it ;) . It all matters how much you believe in your religon, for some people their religon is what makes them through the day. It is okay to share what we belive as long as we don't get carried away :rolleyes: . (No offence star) I heard a scientist or scientists that had a idea that we formed from mud :unsure: I find it hard to live on Earth and not believe in anything. Science can't always explain everything...if we didn't belive in anything the would would be very different from now...think about it....yes many people wouldn't of died (Crusades etc.), but then the world would be soooo different. Why do you think people belive in religons? So they have something to look up to when they don't know what they should do, so that they will always be able to look for guidance etc.

I understand your point Wolfclaw, and I see how religion has helped course our way through history to where we are today, that's humanity. But if there was no religion, or if religion wasn't as large part of lives as it is now, imagine what better technology we might have, history rewritten, and possibly the extinction of our world. This thought facinates me to no end, trying to figure out what could of been and what could of been prevented. The fact that people have always looked up to the heavens having faith in a heavenly being that "provided" guidence has happened in every civilization known to man since we were either created or evolved. If you say I follow any form of religion it would have to be technologism or something to that effect. Sorry if I offended anyone

Josephgregg - February 10, 2009 12:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lamb Bug @ Feb 9 2009, 09:30 PM)
This appears to have turned into a debate about religion. In my opinion, people dilly-dally with so-called "proof" one way or another. But they almost never cut straight to the point. The point is that a major hallmark of "faith" is that it cannot be proven nor disproven. It is something that just needs to be accepted on....what else? faith!

Exactly.

In my opinion, there is no proof that disproves the existence of a god, none at all. You can say that the fact that the energy had to come from somewhere in the beginning of the universe as proof that a god exists. But really, it's not a full 100% chance that the universe was created by a god...that's where the faith part comes in. Now the faith part isn't something that's easy to write a paragraph about...but I think you all get the general idea of what faith is. Not blindly believing in something that we hope is possible to be true, but taking the extra step, from thinking to knowing, based on, not scientific facts, but the amazement at life when a baby is born, at the calm in the eye of a hurricane, at the immenseness of the universe from the inside of a space shuttle..."facts" that just force you to accept the fact that there is something more to this world. It's the spirit that believes in these things, the part of us that is closer to God, the part of us that when we truly believe in God, is changed most by the Holy Spirit. It's a personal journey, religion is. It's not something you can think through with logic, but it isn't a completely illogical thing...they call it a "spiritual" journey. Not a journey of the mind, because logic only takes you so far.

Dude12dragon - February 13, 2009 11:32 PM (GMT)
you want to know who made the universe it was me ha i got bored on day so i made it!! hope it answerd your question!! :P ;) bannana


3monightmar3 - February 14, 2009 05:57 AM (GMT)
grr...so it was u who stole my designs!!!

wudupyo15 - February 21, 2009 06:24 AM (GMT)
God created the universe...Nuff said

tomilson21 - February 21, 2009 01:28 PM (GMT)
Everybody listen up i have found the Answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



- GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH

- Fisrt line in the book of Genesis



blompty2 - March 12, 2009 05:22 PM (GMT)
I would say god created the universe, then he exploded thus the big bang was born bannana

Imso Hot - March 12, 2009 06:00 PM (GMT)
Anything but god, i dont believe in that beardo :rolleyes:

I guess its the big bang that started it and now the dark energy is "opposite gravitation" (or however you write it) and pushing the universe further (just saw some program today from tv B) )

starwolf_ftw - March 12, 2009 06:07 PM (GMT)
Lol. This is my lab assignment for Astronomy atm. I have to ask at least 2 people about their views of the creation of the universe. My best friend belives that the universe was born because God sneezed. lol :lol:

craiglock1 - March 12, 2009 06:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Mar 12 2009, 01:07 PM)
Lol. This is my lab assignment for Astronomy atm. I have to ask at least 2 people about their views of the creation of the universe. My best friend belives that the universe was born because God sneezed. lol :lol:

L M A O !



I know exactly how:


I was sitting on Mars, and I met this old bearded bloke, who liked to be known as God. I chat with him for a while, blew up some mushroom like Aliens, and then he said "This planet is Boring!" He then looked up, said something about Cheese, and then there was a Big Bang, by Which we was teleported to the Milky Way, so we can Enjoy that Chocolate as well as Mars. I thing decided to own the Noob God (Sorry if I offend anyone), and eat another Mars Bar, and make the Game RuneScape. I died 29723972 times after that, and I is now known as "Craig". Anybody guess what my 1ST Name was? That's right, Andrew!


So that proves it. I made Earth, more Planets and RS.


I hope I awnsered your Questions and that you not offended by meh hawtness!

Josephgregg - March 16, 2009 01:27 AM (GMT)
But what caused the Big Bang to happen? This universe is succeptible to the laws of nature, and everything, under the laws of nature, has a beginning and an end. Energy also cannot be transformed or destroyed, so the energy needed to create the Big Bang could not have spontaneously appeared. Therefore, the energy came from a God, who did not have a beginning or an end because, not being of the univese, He is not succeptible to the laws of nature which He Himself created. He transferred some of His energy, which is limitless, being a supernatural God, and created the universe.

To some, this seems outraegous. However, the universe cannot have been created without a supernatural being, as this universe is entirely natural, not supernatural, and so it could not create itself. This is the best possible theory, and so therefore is the only one that can be accepted in any reasonable scientific or theoretic circles.

And there's also the Bible, a historically correct, undisputed, reputable source of true historical fact and evidence. If it has not been proven majorly wrong yet, why should it be now?

And there is also pure common sense, or what some call "blindly believing something that is actually untrue" :P . Could something as complex as life be created by chance?

If someone has an alterior theory that can be completely explained, please tell me. Who knows, you might convince me :D But don't just say "The Big Bang happened". Explain how the Big Bang came to occur, where that energy spontaneously came from, etc.

Kerkennah - March 16, 2009 03:33 AM (GMT)
This topic always go back to religion, no matter what.

Xmaster - March 16, 2009 12:26 PM (GMT)
yup depending on what u have heard or learned and religion..

Josephgregg - March 16, 2009 01:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (starwolf_ftw @ Mar 12 2009, 01:07 PM)
Lol. This is my lab assignment for Astronomy atm. I have to ask at least 2 people about their views of the creation of the universe. My best friend belives that the universe was born because God sneezed. lol :lol:

You can always ask me if you can't find anyone else. :lol: I'd probably give a more thorough/serious explanation than "God sneezed". Lol, that one made me rofl :P

And I'm not taking any of this personally, including the jokes. I'm not that stingy :D So don't worry about that.

And actually, it isn't completely based on the faith of religion, although that certainly does help. Honestly, it's not like God's trying to hide from us that he created the universe; if you dare to delve deep enough, you reach a point where it cannot be explained by normal, natural means. In the absence of natural means, the only thing left is supernatural, in other words, a God, or an Intelligent Designer. There's a matter of where the original burst of energy came from (energy can't be created), and then what could have possibly caused the Big Bang to happen, or what caused the creation of the universe to occur. The Big Bang is not sentient, and it was not supernatural, so it couldn't create energy for itself or cause itself to happen, etc. The natural explanation simply has to be the supernatural. But if anyone has a thoroughly explained (more than, "The Big Bang"; say what caused the Big Bang to happen and where the energy for it came from), alterior theory, I would really love to hear it. :)

Redeyes2496 - March 16, 2009 09:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kerkennah @ Jan 25 2009, 12:04 PM)
It's pretty obvious that God is the creator of the universe and all the things in it.

+1. Go God :P

the thief207 - March 24, 2009 11:14 PM (GMT)
i say that god and his phrat boy buddy were arm wrestling and god farted which made his buddy lose then asked for his lighter and farted while the lighter was lit and so the universe was created. bannana




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