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Title: War analysis


Upperninety8 - September 28, 2008 08:53 PM (GMT)
Alright, i know i'm new, and my suggestions before annoyed some of you. I just want you to know, by making this topic i don't want to put anyone down. I thought the fight we just finished was a great win. We were majorly out leveld. Theres just a few things i think we could improve on to take our warring to the next level.

(1) Binding

I only saw a few binds flying twords IF. We definitely need a solid group of binders each war. It makes it much harder to tank when you get stuck in one place.

Also, binding with a staff is something i wouldnt advise. Although it raises your mage bonus its 1 extra thing to switch into and the time it can be annoying. Although its better to bind with a stafff than not bind at all.

(2) Tanking

They're pile split at the start and i wasnt able to see most of you tank, as i was being piled as well.

But the tanking can always improve. One thing we can definitely do is bring good gear.

Members items are cool and all, but they dont do anything for you in nonmembers. You want to have a full set of rune and some other non membs gear set aside for wars. It will greatly help your performance.

An inventory like this is suggested:

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^Anchovy Pizzas can be substituted with Swordfish or lower food (If you must) but pizzas/swordies are the best warring foods. (Swordies heal 14 and pizzas heal 18 but in 2 bites)

(3) Overall Organization

Well as soon as we saw If we charged without picking a pile. You should always choose your first pile before you charge. Also make sure the other clan is ready for you to charge.

I kinda wrecked our organization because i was trying to call a lot of pile switches. I was attempting to use a tactic called mass sniping, or the center tactic. But we all need to make sure we are on one pile unless you've been asked to snipe.

(4) Sniping

Sniping will make or break you. We need to make sure we send snipers. Snipers basicly attack their binders and rangers whenever they pull out robes or dhide. It's much easiar to do damage when people are this vulnerable. This way, we will either A) Damage their binders and rangers or B) scare their binders and rangers so they dont switch to robes/dhide. Snipers need to be our highest levels. I sniped after i was piled because i noticed we had no one else.

Honestly i dont think we could have won without sniping (And i'm not trying to brag) I, along with the help of Lamb and a few others were able to lower Redup, Ultimate and Franc's hp multiple times. Then when we piled them they were already low on prayer and food so they were much easiar to take down. Had they been at full food and prayer i think 2 100+ might have tanked us out until the end of the war (espescially since i think we only had 1 binder left)

Please don't think I'm trying to say theres anything wrong with the clan. I've enjoyed it. The fight was good. I'm just trying to give us tips we can use to improve our warring as a whole. Gain experiance, win more wars.

Joga Bonito™ - September 28, 2008 10:20 PM (GMT)
We won, we won.

How many people was this war anyways?
Half that stuff doesn't even matter if it is a small war.
Binders, you probably good with one (I have good magic) and some maging at the start
Tanking everyone (yeah?) knows what it is basically common sense, we improve it at clan war practice though I guess.
Equipment, well everyone usually wears what they have, I am usually fine with d'hide and lobs, I will try to get rune I guess (tough for me with members bank filled)
Organization, Lamb and Golden are good with that (and Kid and Fivebrain)
Sniping, by the sound of it you say we already do it, common sense, part of organization
Anti-sniping, say I am ranging or maging, they pile me, you pile whoever attacks me
But again most of it is common sense, if it is a real problem war leader/leader can address it at practice :P



Necroswordia - September 28, 2008 10:57 PM (GMT)
Another thing:

Some peeps I noticed don't know how to hug.

Hugging is what Ozy The Wizard, Redup2, ultimate, and me (and probably others, just the ones I saw srry) were doing. You walk around the wall so the pilers get stuck. If you are good at hugging, you can use the flags and rocks to hug too. I would suggest to some people to practise hugging.


If anybody wants to practise hugging, i will be willing to help, PM me if you want to set a "hugging practise" date with me so that I could help you out ;)

Upperninety8 - September 29, 2008 12:17 AM (GMT)

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Half that stuff doesn't even matter if it is a small war.

It is always important no matter how small. It can always make a difference.

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Binders, you probably good with one (I have good magic) and some maging at the start

No, bad logic here. What if your one binder is piled early, then you fight the rest of the war without binders.

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Tanking everyone (yeah?) knows what it is basically common sense, we improve it at clan war practice though I guess.

Some of the people weren't tanking, i dont see how you can comment on this seeins as you weren't there. How could you know everyone tanked without being at the war? There were some new members there that you've never seen war.

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Equipment, well everyone usually wears what they have, I am usually fine with d'hide and lobs, I will try to get rune I guess (tough for me with members bank filled)

How much longer do you think you could tank in rune compared to in dhide? Its common sense.

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Organization, Lamb and Golden are good with that (and Kid and Fivebrain)

I'm not saying they aren't. I'm saying there were times when the clan as a whole lacked organization in this fight.

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Sniping, by the sound of it you say we already do it, common sense, part of organization

No read closer, i was sniping. Not because i was asked to, but because i saw a lack of snipers

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Anti-sniping, say I am ranging or maging, they pile me, you pile whoever attacks me

Yes... I'm not sure if you're trying to argue with me or what, but i didnt adress antisniping as IF didnt really snipe us.

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But again most of it is common sense, if it is a real problem war leader/leader can address it at practice

Or, we can adress it now, Take a look at what we did well, improve on what we didnt as well on and come back next war looking better than before.

Xmaster - September 29, 2008 12:32 AM (GMT)
omfg yes hugging add hugging


yea its basiclly when you just stick to a rock or something and keep running around it so u dont get killed so quickly.

Many huggin spots at the clan wars maps and its needed if we want to beat a higher clan. Like the random lvl 80 clan we fought .. We would by 1 person 25-24 lol

Upperninety8 - September 29, 2008 01:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Xmaster @ Sep 28 2008, 07:32 PM)
omfg yes hugging add hugging

Hugging and tanking are pretty much the same thing :P

Xmaster - September 29, 2008 01:27 AM (GMT)
yea basiclly its like another way to tank longer :P

Golden arm42 - September 29, 2008 01:46 AM (GMT)
Alright, Upper, I think this is a very nice analysis of our war! Nice job! ;)

Next time we do Clan Wars, we'll practice some of these things to improve ourselves. :D

Upperninety8 - September 29, 2008 03:16 AM (GMT)
Me and Mage Miner10 put together a video showing good spots to hug in most of the arenas. I'll finish edititing it tomorow and upload it.

3monightmar3 - September 30, 2008 03:24 AM (GMT)
i think there are some good points here-must go watch the vid now!

Upperninety8 - September 30, 2008 03:31 AM (GMT)
Click here for those of you interested in the video.

^The link can be found there. Also post any comments about the video on that topic.




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