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Il Duce
          
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Stok, how were you planning to determine the outcome of the attacks as far as their effectiveness, etc?
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Il Duce
          
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My advice would be to coordinate with the US player and come to an agreement among yourselves. If you can't, the events team can simulate it. But as a rule I much prefer a bilateral player approach to these kinds of things.
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"The only problem is, we don’t often actually care about people’s quality of life in 21c." -- JCUWe are all citizens of the planetIl Duce, starring as . . .  Head of State: President Barack Obama Vice-President: Joeseph Biden Speaker of the House: John Boehner GDP: $15.09 Trillion (2012 est.) Population: 311.59 million (2012) Allies: NATO, Pakistan, ANZ, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea Strained Relations/ War: Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea/ Afghanistan21C Best Foreign Affairs RPer 2009, 2011, 2012 Best Overall 2009, 2012
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| QUOTE (Australia (TheOne) @ 11 Apr 2012 03.55.35) | I was more so looking for a link from an official source, not a discussion forum of wannabes and arm chair generals who think they know everything. Not a critique of you btw.
Can you link me to the specific post that says which ships specifically have been mothballed? Half the fleet being put out of service, including at least two ANZACS, would be pretty big news, at the very least it would get a mention in the media and catch peoples attention.
And Smith isn't the defence minister anymore and Labor isn't in government. I rp'ed a change in government. |
That’s okay I know many of the internet forums are full of people such as that an to be careful, this one I have found is generally populated by a lot of active duty servicemen which is why I tend to use it more than some of the others. The first post is a general summary of what is going on and was a reply by one of the more senior members to the general question “What is the problem with Stephen Smith” The second is a comment by an active duty guy from the frigate unit regarding the two vessels out of service and why they cannot be used and the implications therefore. Generally the issues with the military not getting more publicity, compared to say the United Kingdom where every minor decision on the carriers makes front page news, has been noted – I know the Canberra Times and The Australian are the two that have been heavily publicising the situation from the perspective of the sailors which has really been the only mention in the media so far, considering that the entire morning news today across every channel was that stupid boy band that’s not too bad, the following are a summary of the articles depicting the recent media interest in the situation with the Skandi Bergen and so forth, if you did some searching you would probably find some more from the non-major sources as well as on nearly every forum out there. As a general view most people are using is that in their rush to bring the budget back to surplus and with the lack of a Defence Minister who has the respect of the forces sloppy decisions have been made that are severely impacting upon the operational capacity of the forces which already had enough issues with the difficulties with naval maintenance which have been constantly on going since they were practically bankrupted by the Collins class cock up. http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/a...?skin=text-onlyhttp://www.navy.gov.au/On_The_Record:_Chie...phibious_claimshttp://www.navy.gov.au/Purchase_of_Offshor...Disaster_Reliefhttp://www.minister.defence.gov.au/2012/04...-31-march-2012/http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-a...o-1226309695302 | QUOTE | With the purchase of Choules, that is perhaps one of the few non-foolish things Gov't has recently done. The capabilities of a Bay-class LSD match up quite closely with some requirements of JP2048 for the third sealift/amphib ship. The ADF was able to purchase the ex-Largs Bay at a bargain price, right when the RAN was desparately in need of new vessels to provide sealift.
The problem AFAIK is neither crews nor the ships themselves, rather it is Gov't which is causing the problem. In addition to the ships which are entering the ASMD upgrade, two Anzac-class FFH's are tied up at dock instead of going out to sea. This is done because the cost to operate a vessel at sea is higher than keeping the same ship at dock. The crew is not much of a problem, as there are sufficient naval personnel on shore duty who could be assigned to the two frigates if they were operational and at sea. In fact, some RAN personnel have opted to transfer to ACPB ops, so that they could be assigned to a vessel which still gets underway.
Having a Blue/Gold crew arrangement for the currently deploying frigates would only help in the sense that the vessel crews could have more time ashore to spend with their families. What gets missed is that some of these deployments are so far away, that in order to sustain them the deployments are by their nature long. The other part of this issue, which has been a bit of a recurring bugbear for the RAN, is that the current frigates (those not undergoing upgrade yet or tied up at dock) are seeing so much use that they are suffering accelerated wear & tear. Adding delays and deferring maintenance because the RAN needs vessels to meet service needs just exacerbates the problem. All so that in the short-term, Gov't can reduce the Defence spend and perhaps show a budgetary surplus.
I do wish people would realize that by taking such short-term actions to save money have real long-terms costs, both in actual fiscal terms as well as capabilities.
If Skandi Bergen was being purchased to operate some form of sub rescue system, that would be one thing, but much of the undersea equipment is being removed prior to entering RAN service. The RAN is getting the Skandi Bergen as an "amphibious" vessel. Granted, there is perhaps the capability to carry ~1,000 tons of cargo, and also can operate a helicopter... There is no way to land any cargo carried unless the vessel can dock at a port. So, no actual way for an "amphibious" vessel to actually conduct amphibious operation. Secondly, the Skandi Bergen is only going to be in RAN service a short time, ~18 months, before being transferred to Customs. Basically the RAN is spending A$130 mil. to get 18 months of service out of a vessel which is unsuitable for the stated role, and that is before one even factors in the potential issues surrounding operating a RAN vessel with a civilian crew. There are so many elements of this which are questionable in terms of legality and rationality that it strikes me as the sort of brainchild of someone with the authority to ignore the considered advice of service and maritime personnel, coupled with the ego to do so. |
| QUOTE | | As pusser01 stated, they are being moved to dock for upgrade, after a 3 year wait...which is quite piss poor at best. Ive just come off a ship with a very short turn around, and for much of the crew with family and alike, had minimal time ashore. It was not nearly as bad as the other ship in company with us, as she came home from 5mths in asia, did work ups and sailed for the MEAO for 6mths, all because the rotation was 2 ships short. The effects on the fleet are hitting us hard, we have so many obligations and excercise to take part in, and 2 ships short means we have to push the other units to compensate, and many of these ships are skipping weeks aside for maintanence to ensure they are ready.When ships are sailing, they are borderline from pulling back into base with issues. Theres nothing worse then have a 100% blackout 2000 yards from a cliff face, which ive managed twice of jervis bay in a month. Thankfully good seas and hard effort from the MTs(not that we would tell them) saved us from any disaster. When stuart sea swapped with Anzac, they found she was in a poor state. If your going to put a ship aside for 18mths, why wouldnt you conduct work on it in the interim by FSU and contractors. Its smart management, but there was no budget allowed for either ship to have any work done. |
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There's really only three or four in the commonwealth that can actually use rare earths. UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. And maybe India..I don't know much about it, isn't it a big call center? *cheekygrin* But seriously, today I woke up in a really good mood, which was partly ruined by the reminder of the bills I have to pay today. Various licenses, mobile, car rego..F*#$ THE GOVERNMENT!! But I'm still in a good mood. The weekend is here. Buying a dozen big bottles of beer. Big as in almost a liter in each bottle. Or in ghetto speak, 40's.. haha One of the biggest games in footy(aussie footy) is on sunday..well, locally anyway. Sample of years gone by.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIgUHtssm-0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtXIiOexlyIhaha even the trainers go down in this one carn Port!! the Aussies here will understand..i hope. and one more for good luck ... my nigga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-LTDH5Djls&feature=relatedthis man, byron, is a legend. one of my favorite players of all time. absolute fucking machine who demolished anyone who got in his way. we miss players like him on the ground these days.
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Il Duce
          
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Request an event in the Event Commission so I don't forget.
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