Eghad!

This thread needs to be pinned so its not lost amongst all the news threads.

I just need to fix up the logos for a bunch of newspapers.
Rather then one newspaper, I'm going to go with a few of the majors, all in the one news thread. Try and do a bit of variety.

Russian are dumb enough to hand over their Su-50 to Korean!?

It's a pretty smart move, provided Seoul respects the arms contract and keeps the Americans away from it. But that also means Seoul can sell Russia down the river if Moscow does something that it really doesn't like. The capital will help fund other projects, too, including upgraded variants of the Su-50.

But I just don't see how this sale benefits Korea.

Julie and Julia, if this does not end up as a physical cat fight in Canberra with Penny Wong jumping in the middle you have wasted an oppertunity.

Penny Wong making an appearance in a string bikini.

I was at WOMAD working when they did that solidarity with West Papua thing.
Happened the weekend that just went past.

Uh, no, spy satellites cannot simply take photographs of aircraft leaving an airport and know who's inside. Who knows who was on the aircraft?

EDIT: Directed at Japan's recent news article.

If the aircraft is printed bright pink or something, they can make the assumption that it is Kim Jong-un's (It's really weird writing that, I wrote Jong-il several times at first) aircraft. Beyond that, I doubt S. Korea or any nation has the satellite resources to trace the aircraft back to N. Korea.

Got to LOL at some things..

I wonder how many people allowed to use Kim's personal airplane to fly from Pyongyang to Seoul... <_<

How hard can it be? Even Google Maps shows you maps of Pyongyang <_<

Google maps is not a live satellite image of the world. It's typically outdated in some areas because of lack of satellite coverage. The resolution of typical spy satellites is not nearly high enough to spot a single aircraft flying out of a country; in addition, you'd have to have a spy satellite flying over North Korea at the exact same time he'd leave North Korea to even spot a blur with a spy satellite. They're no good for anything except photographing large installations and enormous fleets.

Ah... seriously, I know what google maps is, I was being sarcastic.

I don't know about China, but a modern U.S. spy satellite can, given clear skies and a good viewing angle, probably read a license plate from space.

No, you can't. From space, you can keep a satellite in sun-synchronous orbit to take photographs of relatively stationary things, like big buildings or fields. Things moving on them would be blurry. An aircraft taking off and flying away from the point you are photographing? Forget it, you'd be better off using AWACS or some ground-based/naval-based radar. I don't know what you're imagining, but spy satellites are not magical.

EDIT: And no, you're not going to get live-feed from a spy satellite.

Before this gets any sillier, let's compromise. Whether or not a spy satellite could identify the plane is marginally-important. Japan could have gotten wind of Jong-un's visit any number of ways, much like Jong-il's much publicized "secret" visits to China.

The method, and corresponding news post, should be altered to attribute the intelligence to some other method. But let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, guys.

And you need to have a very good luck to have your satellite accidentally photographed Kim's personal plane taking off when you don't have earlier intelligence about the planned meeting.

It's more plausible to have someone near the airport spot Kim's personal plane landing in South Korea.

I'm not arguing that Japan would not have found out at some point, though. By all means, Japan can discover the secret meeting, since I'm sure Japan has a strong intelligence agency that would certainly know about or at least know of a meeting of such high importance. It's just that I don't like impossible things.

I'm aware. I'm saying that the argument over means is, in the grand scheme of things, pretty inconsequential to the matter at hand and, if the method is changed, all is resolved.

I suppose I can change the "method", but I am not going to, I mean just because someone dig out a 1997 article and said I can't do something in 2012? <_<

Like Dax said, there are number of other ways, I can't and I'm not gonna put everyone of them in my news article.

P.S. Just for the record, I have my own source, and my one come with references. :lol:

Indonesia attacking Australia on its human rights is an interesting move as Indonesia is a major supporter off the breaches, specifically on asylum seekers which bring a tidy profit to certain corrupt officials.

"Alright class its for our next topic we will be doing Aboriginal rights."
"FFS sir we have been doing this C*** since kindy."
-The Australian youth celebrating Aboriginal culture.

Yes, and like Dax said, that method should be changed to something less controversial in order to prevent petty arguments over inconsequential things.

Please.

...seriously? :(

What if he just keeps on bullying me... Eghad!

Where in that source does it specify that Japan's spy satellites can determine the identify of someone onboard an aircraft?

If the aircraft was painted bright pink and had been flown officially as Kim Jong-un's personal aircraft many times, sure, it would be possible. But since there is no mention that Kim Jong-un has any markers on his aircraft, it is impossible for you to determine the identity of who is onboard the aircraft through satellite reconnaissance. If we simply ignore the impossibility of this, that sets a rather dangerous precedence.

Also, satellite reconnaissance has not changed that much since 1997. The methods are still the same (Radar and Cameras) the resolution (Israeli spy satellites can supposedly get resolutions below .5 meters. But they still wouldn't tell you if an aircraft belonged to Kim Jong-un.

Also, said article from 1997 is still valid, as the result of resolutions does not change from 1997 to 2012.

about the "registered" in the UN part, it was claimed by Forkorus Yaboisembut during his trial.
However, to my knowledge, the steps needed to register a country to the un is:

1. Submitting a request to the Secretary-general which contain acknowledgement to the UN Charter
2. UNSC responds to the application, it has to receive 9 approval from 15 members and no veto from any 5 permanent members
3. If approved by UNSC, it has to be approved by 2/3 of the General Assembly member
4. Wait for the resolution

Frankly, other than Indonesia, the one who lost the most if Papua is separated from Indonesia is, United States..
Hint: Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc

Because, the goal of the FPM (other than separation) is to reject economic development and modernity as well as to eliminate non-native populations in the island. source: wiki.

I don't know why we are doing this, but ok, let's see...

Yes, this source does not specify that Japan's spy satellites can determine the identify of someone onboard an aircraft, but it does specify that a modern U.S. spy satellite can, given clear skies and a good viewing angle, probably read a license plate from space. If that 1997 article is valid, so does my one, it answer your next question about the resolutions, why don't you take my article into account?

We gather information from a variety of sources, unlike the United States government:D, do you agree I can gain Kim's information from other sources?(e.g. someone saw Kim's fat ass exit the aircraft in Seoul) If your answer is yes, the only problem we have here is I didn't mention every tiny detail in the newspaper, which it often happens in real world... :)

There's nothing thats going to be lost regarding that mine if West Papua gains independence.
It will be one of the main sources of income for the West Papua government.

And you can't just stop decades of human rights abuses like that, with a few trials of people who aren't the shot callers and some "training" program....the abuses go on imo.

Freeport is one of the main reason of why those rebellion and unrest happened in the first place. I don't believe they will accept a corporation that has been "robbing" them of their resources.

And that is why i called it "training program" and inviting international human rights organization. this will take a looongg time.
As for the usage of the word : "training", well.. I can't find any better word for it..

In other words, I still doesn't yet have any idea on what kind of "training" that needs to be done in order to reduce the human rights violation.
All I know is, the rules and regulation are already in place, but like all other Indonesian problem, the enforcement of the rules is flawed. But for the other reasons, i just don't know yet

as for the "shot caller", since this issues has already happened from Soeharto's era, it will be very hard to investigate, IMO

The freeport mine has only been in operation since 1973.
The first attack against it happened in 77.

The UN agreement with Indonesia and the Netherlands is from the 1960's.
1 year of UN rule. 6 years of Indonesian rule, at the end of which a referendum should have happened in West Papua.

The referendum did not happen, a mock/sham referendum happened where the people taking part were threatened to vote against independence or else.

The oppression, killings, torture, rape has continued to this day.

Why wouldn't they attack Indonesia's economic interests on their lands?

The contract was signed in 1967.

and here's article that show the general attitude towards freeport :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14417718

Your article vindicates my position.

And the US is on side, here, IC, in the game. And US foreign policy reflects it's interests regarding natural resources. Aus, US, allied troops on the ground, means protection for Freeport mine.
Supporting the West Papuan struggle, also relieves a lot of the anti-Freeport(US) sentiment.

That's all I'm saying, I'm not going to deal with this OOC.
It is an IC thing.

Stop it. Both of you seem like you are influenced by your real world opinion, which should definitely not be the case when role-playing a country. Indonesia and Australia have gotten along despite differing stances in the West Papua situation ever since it began.

Role-play it realistically guys.

^Problem starts now when people interfere because they think there is a problem.
We are having a civil discussion on the issue, which I don't really wish to continue in an OOC context because it distracts from the IC stuff. Hence why I said so.
I personally could not care less, beyond general sympathy, for West Papua. Sp no, I'm not influenced by my personal opinion.

Being realistic and doing a carbon copy of the real world are two different things.
The point of nation role play is to simulate a country within certain parameters. Nothing we have done so far, has been outside of those parameters.
Australia raising the issue with Indonesia and other allies, is within those parameters.
Australia declaring war on Indonesia over the issue is outside of those parameters.

What makes you think Australia and Indonesia are not getting along IG?
Read my news posts, it's not the government saying anything about canceling agreements etc.
Indonesias government also, has not said anything negative about Australia.

I don't see a problem.

I don't see a problem right now either. TheOne isn't exactly using a news paper of well repute in some of his antics (on par with The Guardian) and it would be unsurprising to see some of this stuff in that tabloid anyhow. Bleeding hearts and all.

If that really is the case, then i'm glad. I must have been reading the posts wrong then.

By the way, I would be completely supporting Australia right now and be vocal about it in the UNGA if I hadn't just purchased dozens of APC's and other military goodies from Indonesia ;)

Australian newspapers and media in general has taken a bit of a dive in recent times, I'm trying to continue the downward spiral sort of.

Anyway, it's all good.

I think you will find that there is only one police service in New Zealand due to its size, individual cities do not run their own as in America.

District - Department, I regard those as interchangeable.

I'm surprised how little attention the announcement of Australia potentially getting nuclear subs has gotten in the region.
Good in that it can embolden the government to go further. :)