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I have a question about the military budgets. So on my spreadsheet, it says that my military budget is one thing (including procurement budget), however according to the military budget guide it says to only use that website to find your nations military budget. If the spreadsheet is our "official" reference, then wouldn't I want to use the military budget it states in that?

Hey Rios, your defence budget is $7,581,209,475.00 and your procurement budget is $1,137,181,421.25 in line with your spreadsheet data. The data on the SIPRI site is a few years old now and the spreadsheets have all been updated by the economic mods and the military data added by Skyenet, these are the figures to be used in game. Hope that helps :)

Thanks! That answered my question perfectly :yes:

With Icelandic procurement funding for the Coast Guard what do I do here? Existing plans have the procurement of new helicopters and of further patrol boats do I just roleplay out an appropriate arrangement for them (i.e. leased initially and paid off over several years) and get you to check it? The spreadsheet says I should only get $1.5 million a year and based on other figures I saw in my research looks to be more along the lines of the budget of the Crisis Unit but is based of the GDP which does not really work now seeing as that figure (%GDP) has not be published since the 2009 austerity budget and was likely to have changed.

We need the Arsenal of Democracy to get its thread up...Daddy wants some THAAD.....

The Arsenal of Guided Democracy already has a thread. And the S-500 is far better than the THAAD. Cheaper too. Or the S-400, which is even cheaper. :P

True but Saudi doesn't buy from Russia, we buy American/European as Iran buys Russian.

When you have as much money as Saudi does, you can do whatever the hell you want.

vary true, and weres is the NPC buying thread, so I can buy things from nation's not claimed?

Russia, Japan, and the UK -- are there not regulations regarding naming Duty Free Shop threads?

In technicality, there aren't. We apparently stopped shy at Foreign Ministries.
http://z9.invisionfree.com/21c/index.php?s...dpost&p=3195768

One check of the Duty Free Shop and already the lack of FMS is evident, I will get onto it.

Finished, for now, the Duty Free Shop can officially commence operations.

Berlicum, did you just increase your budget to 20%?

Well basically my procurement plans stand at this at present, I would anticipate this being for at least ten years if not more with only minor emergency procurement in the meantime;

$13 million: Small arms procurement to replace large numbers of aging and or borrowed weapon systems. This would also include new rail accessories, training programs, holsters etc. The most expensive weapon system being procured being new M2 Brownings.
$180 million: Four AQ101 Merlin helicopters as part of the existing helicopter program. These would be a hybrid civilian/military model with naval landing equipment, American night-vision kit and search and rescue facilities.
$35 million: C-27J Spartan transport aircraft to augment the current Dash aircraft.
$150 million: Three additional Thor (512L) class patrol boats to replace the remaining and augment the old two patrol boats.
$40 million: New survey ship, probably along the lines of HMS Scott than the existing Baldur with dedicated ice breaking capacity to serve as a back up patrol boat, also with some light transport capacity for aid and what not.
$5 million: Two BvS-10 Viking, semi-civilian - semi-military variant to equip the Icelandic Crisis Response Unit for peacekeeping. These are a common vehicle in Iceland so would be easy to maintain and operate.
$2 million: Fifty Land Rover Wolf (90/110) vehicles to replace the Nissans of the ICRU that have been criticized.

Total: $425 million

I anticipate negotiating some sort of deal with the United Kingdom for the patrol boats, helicopters and maybe some other stuff as part of negotiations over the repayments of the debt to them.

While we never established any guidelines, I advise every nation to follow me and enter their nation's name into the Description Field for their topics, especially if it is not in their topic title already. This means that the thread maintains it's "ctrl+f"-bility but still allows you to use witty or realistic names.

I am reasonably sure you can change this after posting by editing the first post, however that may just be moderators. Let me know in PM if you want to edit it, but can't, and I'll get it done.

I did so, as accordingly to the RL White Paper 2010, they are busy organizing the rather bureaucratic non combat side of the organization to free up additional funds for front line units and investments into better equipment. Because of that action I figured it would be okay to somewhat increase the procurement budget.

If I was wrong in my assumption, I will reduce my procurement budget accordingly.

Norway is the 14th largest arms exporter in the world?

What the hell, Norway. Time to try and dig up all the relevant information, I guess.

I am fairly sure that plan was axed as a result of the Earthquake which as you can imagine absorbed large amounts of government funding.

Norway exports a shit-ton of not very glorious defense exports. And a few glorious ones. The NSM and JSM will probably be huge successes IRL, the M151 PROTECTOR already is.

Our space industry is also huge, but its largely stuff like the detachment points for the Ariane 5's booster that don't get much of the glory.

Also, on an unrelated note, Norway plans to be launching satellites from Andøya Rocket Range by 2018 according to the head of operations there. Kongsberg is making the rocket.

Also, Russia needs to buy some Skjolds. Or one and just copy it :P

True the Earthquake has hurt the economy and requires considerable government funds, though the plan envisions an internal shift of funds within the defense force, the defense budget itself doesn't grow.

Oh how I love splashing the cash on expensive imports :D Though I am seriously considering getting in on the ground floor of the T-99 if Russia will let me >.<

Not if you slander my equipment by calling it expensive :P

I was referring more to the $30 Billion in contracts I have just put forward for over the next four years....

Buy my stuff.

That awkward moment with another kingdom asks that the aircraft be built "within the kingdom." Whose kingdom?

I would assume Saudi Arabia, seeing as few people refer to the UK as just the Kingdom - the term makes more sense with Saudi Arabia (or rather the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia).

I meant within KSA yeah....I can edit for clarity if you prefer?

Actually, that brings up the question: can KSA even build those things there? I was not under the impression the ones already purchased were.

I am not making up the assembly thing...I am just exercising an option Saudi Arabia has for the Eurofighter accordign to wikipedia....and well I want more of them to replace my Panavia Tornado's so I am assuming IRL they can assemble them if not make all the components. I literally meant having the parts shipped over and the Saudi's weld them together but its cool if you want to put them all together in the UK.

What? Korean bought Su-50 for their FX program...

For the F-X Phase 3, yes. The ROKAF was originally interested in the PAK FA but Sukhoi didn't bother entering the competition. In addition, the US refused South Korea the F-22 (both the PAK FA and F-22 were shortlisted, originally). As a result, the only remaining options were the F-35, Eurofighter, JAS 39, and F-15SE.

I am not too interested in the F-35 as a straight up fighter (off my Dokdos I really don't mind). The Eurofighter? meh. I seriously considered the JAS 39 NG because of its price and its capabilities in a Total Defense doctrine, however, I figured my FA-50 can fill this role just as easily. And I never considered the F-15SE after I was allowed Su-50s.

The F-X Phase 3 shouldn't be confused with the KF-X program with Indonesia. The Su-50s are simply an interim to the KF-X jets that should be rolling out later in the decade.

Eghad!

Just to be annoying. The F414 doesn't fulfill the requirement for thrust-vectoring in any form it exists in today.

Actually, all of the engines I listed (except for perhaps the F135 powerplant) have thrust vectoring capabilities and/or variants. The F414-GE-INS6 variant for the HAL Tejas has thrust vectoring capabilities. Even the EJ2000 has a thrust vectoring variant.

Pitted against each other, GE was the lowest bidder and won the contract.

I have not found any mention of the F414-GE-INS6 being thrust vectoring capable. And the thrust vectoring EJ2k was offered as part of the Tejas tender, but not as a ready engine, but as an offer of joint development.

Eurojet appears to have a prototype made for a thrust vector EJ2000 which appears to come in the form of a nozzle as opposed to a brand new engine.




The prototype was tested for 80 hours (15 of which at full afterburn), and 6700 vectoring movements at full throttle. The EJ2000-01A is able to vector to 360 degrees to 23.5 degree slew rates (at a speed of 110 degrees/second).

Source: http://typhoon.starstreak.net/Eurofighter/engines.html
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And I may stand corrected on the F414.

And I stand partially corrected on the EJ2k. No operational thrust vectoring variant exist. An operational thrust vectoring EJ2k seems largely to be speculation at the moment.

you know it never crossed my mind but why is America selling the LAV in it's thread? the LAV 25, LAV III and it's related lines are built by General Dynamics Canada, in Ontario